Sadhguru on Joe Rogan Experience

[Consept]

27 minutes ago, Ineedanswers said:

this makes a lot of sense to me.  do you disagree with leo when he says everyone acts from good intentions?

Yeah id disagree, you can definitely act from bad intentions as in you know what youre doing is going to cause harm. A good example is psychopaths, they may want someone to suffer or they may just want something and not care if someone gets hurt in the process of them getting it, however psychopaths literally cannot feel empathy. Another way to say it is they lack awareness around other peoples pain to the point where they cant even understand it, given this its easy to see how they could commit harmful acts at the very least not caring about the harm and at worst doing it to specifically cause harm but either way they dont have consciousness to appreciate what theyre actually doing. 

When you consider we're all on the psychopath spectrum, its easy to see how you can momentarily lack empathy and cause harm. There are of course many cases where people are trying to do good and are causing harm as well. 

[Carl-Richard]

@Ineedanswers Intentions are validated relative to one's survival agenda. Nazis cared about the survival of themselves but not others. Same with rapists.

[Consept]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

I think the biggest point is that when we say that Absolutely everything is Good we want to be careful and not condone what is relatively evil - such as Hitlers actions.   When someone said Hitler ordered the assassination of six million Jews - and someone then says - well absolutely speaking he was doing it with good intentions- that is injecting the Absolute into the realm of the relative.  It's two differenent conversations and one should not he used when discussing Hitlers actions from the relative sense.   Because then it seems like we were condoning his behavior by leveraging the Absolute.  This is a big mixup in my opinion.

I'd disagree slightly, you dont even have to see what Hitler did from the absolute perspective to say he had good intentions, if you just look from his and nazi Germany's perspective, it was committed from positive intentions, they wanted to rid the world of what they considered evil. Imagine really believing what the nazis did, like truly believing they were saving mankind, of course you would think that is from good intentions. 

There was an interesting film made around Indonesians in power who slaughtered 1000s of their own citizens, which i think is quite relevant to the topic - 

 

[Inliytened1]

7 minutes ago, Consept said:

I'd disagree slightly, you dont even have to see what Hitler did from the absolute perspective to say he had good intentions, if you just look from his and nazi Germany's perspective, it was committed from positive intentions, they wanted to rid the world of what they considered evil. Imagine really believing what the nazis did, like truly believing they were saving mankind, of course you would think that is from good intentions. 

There was an interesting film made around Indonesians in power who slaughtered 1000s of their own citizens, which i think is quite relevant to the topic - 

 

I'm not debating this.  What I'm saying is to use this as a weapon to justify his actions is ignorant.   As long as we aren't doing this it's fine.  But if you say the killing of 6 million jews is good when we are speaking in the relative domain then ide say your just as insane as him.

[Consept]

4 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

I'm not debating this.  What I'm saying is to use this as a weapon to justify his actions is ignorant.   As long as we aren't doing this it's fine.  But if you say the killing of 6 million jews is good when we are speaking in the relative domain then ide say your just as insane as him.

Im not saying its good or justifying his actions obviously, im saying from Hitlers and nazi Germany's perspective it was 'good', they didnt think they were doing something bad they believed they were doing something good for humanity, most wars people think they are doing something good even if theyre invading, this has happened throughout history. Its all just a matter of perspective and if your area of concern is only your tribe then of course everyone outside of it are other and therefore bad. Look at the mongals, or persians or romans or any empire you can think of, there was enormous bloodshed and death, rape etc but they from their perspective were not the bad guys, they were the heroes!

[Epikur]

52 minutes ago, Consept said:

Im not saying its good or justifying his actions obviously, im saying from Hitlers and nazi Germany's perspective it was 'good', they didnt think they were doing something bad they believed they were doing something good for humanity, most wars people think they are doing something good even if theyre invading, this has happened throughout history. Its all just a matter of perspective and if your area of concern is only your tribe then of course everyone outside of it are other and therefore bad. Look at the mongals, or persians or romans or any empire you can think of, there was enormous bloodshed and death, rape etc but they from their perspective were not the bad guys, they were the heroes!

On the micro level we do not know that. Maybe they thought it is wrong but were not able to act differently.

[Consept]

Just now, Epikur said:

On the micro level we do not know that. Maybe they thought it is wrong but were not able to act differently.

Could be,  the only way to get an idea is when you've done something that with hindsight you consider wrong, how did you feel at the time pf doing it?

[Razard86]

On 3/19/2022 at 3:14 PM, Leo Gura said:

Actually study these so-called "evil" people and you'll see they have some kind of positive intentions they are pursing with their "evil" actions.

Nazis have good intentions. Stalin had good intentions. Mao had good intentions. Terrorists have good intentions. Putin has good intentions. Even school shooters have good intentions. Etc.

When you made that video that everyone operates from good intentions that was the video I had the hardest time dealing with months ago. But that video was the gateway. I have realized that the hardest thing for most people to grasp is that concept. The concept of selfishness, that we all are devils, and that the key to doing good is to stop seeing evil. That what separates us from God and others is our selfishness and it is the cause of all evil we do in all degrees. All attachments creates evil, and only your level of awareness mitigates the degree of the evil that you do.

I'm so thankful for you video though Leo because that video truly opened everything up for me. I really wish Curt could see the limits of logic. He is such a smart man, what put me in a position to even hear your message was my understanding of the limits of logic. As such I opened my mind to the possibility that I maybe missing something in regards to how God perceives life. Its funny because most people don't want to see things as God sees it. They want to cling to their petty selfish perspectives.....I'm like what's the point? The moment you can see life through God's eyes its like you just put in an Infinity Code in a video game. 

Edited March 20, 2022 by Razard86

[Razard86]

Oh and one last thing....the absurdity to question the existence of God....

All of life is proof of God's existence. Leo did a video talking about engineering. If you truly understand how deeply balanced and in unison everything works from the solar system scale to the molecular level scale. This engineering is so complex, there is NO WAY that God doesn't exist. This should show you that no matter how intelligent someone is, they are NOT IMMUNE to delusion. DELUSION is a snake....it is SNEAKY.

[iceprincess]

@Leo Gura i see what you mean Leo, evil is still evil in the pursuit of happiness 

[AminB501]

@Leo Gura But good intentions steaming from hatred cannot be the same as good intentions steaming from understanding and desire for mutual wellbeing, or just simply love.

Edited March 22, 2022 by AminB501

[Epikur]

Sadhguru has a big heart for the rich the ruthless and the billionaires. It might help him sell his expensive leadership courses.

[Myegolikestacos]

All is one. Your hate for Sudhguru come from your love and attachment to the work. What you believe, it should be.

[How to be wise]

On 15/03/2022 at 1:40 AM, Leo Gura said:

Next: Sadhguru on PornHub, hairy category.

You’re jealous cuz you have no hair.

[ajai]

On 15/3/2022 at 5:23 PM, Consept said:

what happened with the community he setup.

He did not setup any community, do your research,

 

Y'all please, before you blame someone as a conman, corrupt, bizarre or as flawed, at-least get a little history otherwise it will just add to your ignorance.

Moreover stop participating in conversations that has to just project your inner biases and dogma.

Do the work for God's sake. Work is point your finger towards you and your inner being and "NOT OTHERS".

 

 

NOBODY KNOWS WHO A GURU IS. EXCEPT ONE. DO NOT MISLEAD.

[Revolutionary Think]

On 3/14/2022 at 6:40 PM, Leo Gura said:

Next: Sadhguru on PornHub, hairy category.

Would he be a Happyguru after that?