Can I skip the provoked urine test?

[thisintegrated]

Can't find any good options in the UK, and all tests are very expensive.  Is it safe to just take DMSA/DMPS without testing first?

 

Edit: Just noticed I meant to post this in another section. Move/delete if needed.

Edited March 14, 2022 by thisintegrated

[ZenSwift]

You can hide your post, just hit the edit option. 

On 3/14/2022 at 11:11 AM, thisintegrated said:

 

Edit: Just noticed I meant to post this in another section. Move/delete if needed.

 

[thisintegrated]

6 hours ago, ZenSwift said:

You can hide your post, just hit the edit option. 

 

There is no edit option

[Roy]

What section did you want it in? This already seems like the right one.

[puporing]

Had a similar problem getting tested so I just began the detox. Finished 5-6 rounds now no problems. 

I know some naturopathic clinics offer the test after consults in Canada.

Edited March 20, 2022 by puporing

[Average Investor]

I personally don't find that is necessary. Your reaction in general to those compounds should give you a fair indicator of your toxic load. As with any new compound it is ideal to start in very small amounts. 

On 3/14/2022 at 11:11 AM, thisintegrated said:

Is it safe to just take DMSA/DMPS without testing first?

It would actually be safer to just do small does on their half life, then blast your self with a mega dose. 

You could do a hair or blood test to get maybe some idea of what metals might be there. Even a provoked urine test is really not going to tell you how much metals are stored in your organs. 

 

[thisintegrated]

8 hours ago, Roy said:

What section did you want it in? This already seems like the right one.

It's been moved already.

 

20 minutes ago, puporing said:

Had a similar problem getting tested so I just began the detox. Finished 5-6 rounds now no problems. 

I know some naturopathic clinics offer the test after consults in Canada.

Good to hear.  Were the effects noticeable?  Was it worth the cost?  Here, even just the DMSA/DMPS will cost me a few hundred.

 

4 minutes ago, Average Investor said:

I personally don't find that is necessary. Your reaction in general to those compounds should give you a fair indicator of your toxic load. As with any new compound it is ideal to start in very small amounts. 

It would actually be safer to just do small does on their half life, then blast your self with a mega dose. 

You could do a hair or blood test to get maybe some idea of what metals might be there. Even a provoked urine test is really not going to tell you how much metals are stored in your organs. 

This is what I was considering.  If I hear enough evidence of this causing significant improvements I'll order some.

[Average Investor]

1 minute ago, thisintegrated said:

It's been moved already.

 

Good to hear.  Were the effects noticeable?  Was it worth the cost?  Here, even just the DMSA/DMPS will cost me a few hundred.

 

This is what I was considering.  If I hear enough evidence of this causing significant improvements I'll order some.

I think it is very subjective. A lot of people could see some massive benefits improving diet, exercise, and sleep. I have had tremendous results in those areas. 

Chelation is a lot of work as well. The upfront research has been a lot for me. Not to mention if you go with ACC protocol and committed it could take hundreds of rounds to maybe get your desired effect. However, I think most could tell after about 10 rounds if it would benefit them. 

I have seen a fair amount of mixed stuff. For the people who get negative results or actually worsen themselves, I think a lot of that is caused from lack of research. I think a fair portion of those people are already really sick and just desperate to find anything that might work. Also, their condition might be caused from something else. Most people generally don't care about their health until they have completely run their body into the ground. So it isn't like removing some metals and depleting minerals for awhile is going to give them a massive boost. Especially, if they have not even fixed the most basic areas of their health. 

There is some people who have had some amazing results. I have no doubt of the harms that these environmental toxins cause to our bodies. Some people could simply benefit more because of their reaction to a substance is better. Their detox pathways are better. 

[puporing]

52 minutes ago, thisintegrated said:

Good to hear.  Were the effects noticeable?  Was it worth the cost?  Here, even just the DMSA/DMPS will cost me a few hundred.

I felt less tired while on rounds and maybe so outside of rounds too. I would say overall my energy has gotten better but will have to track it for long term for that and my other more physiological symptoms. Other symptoms lessening I'm not sure if direct correlation as I've been doing a bunch of things, but just energy level alone is a big deal to me. 

I've tried alot of things and kinda ran out of options so this also sounded like a very plausible cause of my problems that doctors can't find.

Edited March 20, 2022 by puporing

[Matt23]

@puporing Did you do the 4 Core supplements from the Andy Cutler protocol and start those 2 weeks prior to chelating your first time?

[puporing]

1 hour ago, Matt23 said:

@puporing Did you do the 4 Core supplements from the Andy Cutler protocol and start those 2 weeks prior to chelating your first time?

Yeah I did that for about a month. Plus they came much quicker than the detox ones so timing worked out there!

[Matt23]

Cheers