Understanding Russia & Putin

[Breakingthewall]

14 minutes ago, hello1234 said:

That’s because you didn’t study history. Anyone who did and knows about the kind of atrocities Soviets did with mass rapes, torturing, the kind of lies they spread, is not at all “surprised” by what is happening in Ukraine.

I think that the soviet union is the greatest disgrace, that has happened to europe with the nazism, and communism has been perhaps the worst tyranny of humanity, with countries turned into prisons for decades, but even so these murders have to be proven and I hope that they are false

Edited April 5, 2022 by Breakingthewall

[hello1234]

9 minutes ago, T_i_m said:

the propagandists were instructed to prepare an excuse for reports of murdered civilians from the beginning

They brought mobile crematoriums with them to get rid of the evidence of dead bodies

[pedro23]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

but even so these murders have to be proven and I hope that they are false

 

[hello1234]

3 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I hope that they are false

Unfortunately, they are not, you can see satellite images of those bodies laying there for days and even weeks. Ukrainian government has invited foreign investigators into the scene.

Also, cases like this have been happening for the duration of this war. Have you been following the situation at all? 

Edited April 5, 2022 by hello1234

[How to be wise]

21 hours ago, Lyubov said:

Can you imagine if the Holocaust happened in 2022? Imagine the amount of bullshit posts like the one above being shared. Shit, that even gets denied some and it was before the internet. The amount of stupid people and brainwashed clowns that will run with the false flag narrative will be mental.

45% of Germans voted for Hitler in 1933, and he was running on the agenda of antisemitism. The madness of crowds at its worst.

[hello1234]

[pedro23]

1 hour ago, hello1234 said:

The second army in the world. Remember these guys dug trenches in the Chernobyl exclusion zone, in the mothafucking RED FOREST, the most radioactive place in the world ffs.

Edited April 6, 2022 by pedro23

[BlueOak]

15 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Well, even if it seems unintelligent to you, I try to use logic instead of emotions. the number of civilians killed in the war does not reach 2000 right? If Russia were systematically executing civilians as you say, the figure would be two more zeros. 1500 civilians killed in a war like this indicates a willingness to respect civilians. For example, in Irak the civilian casualties were hundreds of thousands. Maybe I'm wrong, but getting emotional doesn't get you closer to the truth.

The amount of civilian deaths will be in the 10's of thousands before the end, there are more than 5,000 dead in Mariupol alone.

People still don't understand entire towns and villages no longer exist.

Edited April 6, 2022 by BlueOak

[pedro23]

Consequences of ”Russkii Mir” 

[Lyubov]

Mariupol City Council: Russia uses mobile crematoriums to erase evidence of its war crimes. According to the council, Russia’s special brigades collect and burn the bodies of murdered residents. Tens of thousands of civilians may have been killed in Mariupol, it added.

totally fucked and totally believable too

[pedro23]

 

russian liberators hiding their vehicles  under civilian buildings. 

Edited April 6, 2022 by pedro23

[pedro23]

 

More heroic deeds of the russian denazyfing liberators. It is not looting en masse.It is special expropriation operation. 

[pedro23]

He he boi. When asvabaditeli were not busy liberating washing machines, jewelry, lingerie, they were conducting even more mass looting, mock execution and torture....

[hello1234]

64 animal brigade that was in Bucha, the world should know these rapists, murderers and looters by face

Their commander:

Edited April 6, 2022 by hello1234

[Lyubov]

Russian army must be putting forward ethnic Kazakhs or something as cannon fodder cause the don’t want Slavs dying. 

[T_i_m]

32 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

Russian army must be putting forward ethnic Kazakhs or something as cannon fodder cause the don’t want Slavs dying. 

there's probably another reason: it would be easier to make soldiers of a  different ethnic group to kill slavs than to make slavs kill other slavs who speak the same language they do

[Leo Gura]

Warning: anyone here spreading Russian propaganda of false flag conspiracy theories will receive warning points. We'll be cracking down on that going forward. Be careful what you post on the Russian-Ukraine topic.

In general I would like you to notice how low consciousness this discussion has become.

[Yarco]

Hopefully the same enforcement for people spreading pro-Ukraine misinformation as well.

Example - talk of mobile crematoriums and Russians wiping out evidence of 10s of thousands of deaths above. 

Even Snopes says this is "unproven" - https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/russia-mobile-crematoriums/

Those machines are made for burning garbage and medical waste, not bodies. 

The process of cremating a body takes about 12 hours and those machines are only big enough to fit 1 body at a time. It's debatable if they even reach a temperature capable of cremating human remains and not just bags of trash. But even if we grant that and Russia had 10 such machines going day and night 24/7, it'd take 50 days to make 1,000 bodies disappear. The idea that they've killed and cremated 10,000 people is proveably false with some basic logic and math. At the same time we're supposed to believe they're also cremating killed Russian soldiers on top of that to hide their own casualties.

[itachi uchiha]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Warning: anyone here spreading Russian propaganda of false flag conspiracy theories will receive warning points. We'll be cracking down on that going forward. Be careful what you post on the Russian-Ukraine topic.

In general I would like you to notice how low consciousness this discussion has become.

any narrative the is against pro ukrain pro nato is considered a conspiracy theory .truth is not one sided. the other side also has  truth. but if u say that the truth of the other side is conspiracy theory and shut it down, then u r delusional. this forum has turned into an eco chamber. u better fix this or many people will leave. the quality of this forum needs improvement

[Lyubov]

5 hours ago, Yarco said:

Hopefully the same enforcement for people spreading pro-Ukraine misinformation as well.

Example - talk of mobile crematoriums and Russians wiping out evidence of 10s of thousands of deaths above. 

Even Snopes says this is "unproven" - https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/russia-mobile-crematoriums/

Those machines are made for burning garbage and medical waste, not bodies. 

The process of cremating a body takes about 12 hours and those machines are only big enough to fit 1 body at a time. It's debatable if they even reach a temperature capable of cremating human remains and not just bags of trash. But even if we grant that and Russia had 10 such machines going day and night 24/7, it'd take 50 days to make 1,000 bodies disappear. The idea that they've killed and cremated 10,000 people is proveably false with some basic logic and math. At the same time we're supposed to believe they're also cremating killed Russian soldiers on top of that to hide their own casualties.

False equivalency. Russia is the country invading a peaceful country and covering  up their crimes. Ukraine is defending itself and I’m sure has their own misinformation floating around as well but only one country here is the aggressor, the rapist and the murder. They should not be handled equally because Russia is the aggressor and nothing is out of the realm of possibility with their crimes. Although rumors should be discouraged.