% of people here saying ultimate truths really understand what they're saying?

[Mips]

As per the title, I wonder what percent of people on the forum who say ultimate truths really understand what they're saying? I see that Leo has understood this stuff as his journey is laid bare here. 

But many people on many threads are constantly saying things like 'there are no others', 'life is a dream', 'there is no centre' & other ultimate truths.

But is there a culture of people trying to sound wise but not really understanding the core of what they're saying? And if so, how many other than Leo have really plumbed the depth of this to justify their position of ultimate mastery?

Edit: I'm also absolutely open to the possibility that there are a lot of enlightened people on here.

Edited March 5, 2022 by Mips

[BipolarGrowth]

There are a number of people who understand things to a pretty notable degree here. I say this mostly due to having many extensive one-on-one conversations with people I’ve met through the forum. 
 

There are even people who I thought were relatively clueless in regard to spirituality while only seeing their posts, but they were shown to know far more than expected once I was able to hear them out in a format which allows for more information to be shared. 

 

Keep in mind that every person has different subtleties held within their usage of common words like awakening, awareness, ego, etc. The forum is not an easy place to understand what people actually are meaning when they say words such as those. In a lot of cases, a plethora of experiences are informing their individual definition of a term such as those even if both of you agree to the same shorthand definition. A text-based conversation simply does not leave enough room for these subtleties to be hashed out unless you want to spend literally multiple extra hours typing compared to how long it might take in verbal communication. 

Edited March 5, 2022 by BipolarGrowth

[Thought Art]

*Looks at hands*

Probably a low percentage have deep levels of understanding.

Everyone is the Truth. But, we are in the process of learning about ourself.

Edited March 5, 2022 by Thought Art

[Loba]

I have only had a handful of experiences with ultimate truths, and I don't claim to be enlightened or wise; I can only offer advice that I have personally gone through and am always working on figuring out how to word things in the best possible way.  I do have some experience though, pertaining to spiritual emergencies and spiritual work while having a mental illness.  I have gone through a lot of the traps that people can fall into, and of course still fall into plenty myself.

I wouldn't claim myself to be an expert, but the sources that I collect from are generally pretty good and I do have decent intuition into things.

If I am only partially sure, or if I am just offering an opinion, then I try to let people know this because I know that people can come here looking for answers and will take them to heart and I want to make sure that the answer I am giving comes from my direct experience.

I think you have a good point though, and that there is some parroting going on sometimes.  I wouldn't worry too much about it, because you can already sense this intuitively, I would follow your gut when it comes to advice and taking to heart what people here say.  If you can sense it, and see it, then you know what to move towards or away from - that's your compass talking to you.

Me personally, my awakening experiences have not had a solipsistic element to them, so I have no reference for what people talk about when they mention these things.  But I do know that letting go of the ego can be very difficult and it is usually a long process, and I do see people falling into the trap of following one person too closely instead of following their own intuition.  It makes me want to knock Leo down a few pegs, not to insult him, but to humanize him a bit for people who gobble up every word he says without even thinking, or practicing, or understanding other elements to spiritual work.

If your intuition is telling you that people are parroting and don't know what they are talking about - then listen to it, because that's the intuition that leads to spiritual awakening/enlightenment/healing.  I feel that this forum needs a wake up call in some instances, like, "Hey!  It's all within you.  You can discover it for yourself, I am sure of it.  Follow your Truth down to the bottom of the rabbit hole; don't look around at what teachers or other people are doing.  You are doing it right, just keep following your heart, and you will get there."

And even if someone is parroting a truth, if the advice helps, take it.  Use your intuition to "scout" for truth, look for it wherever you can find it.  Gl!

[Thought Art]

I have experienced "Wu Chi" I have experienced the absolute Truth/ aspects of it. But, I am still novice in my ability to understand things.I have experienced the "void" or the seed of all being... Or, that I am God.

[Vincent S]

On 3/5/2022 at 8:23 PM, Mips said:

As per the title, I wonder what percent of people on the forum who say ultimate truths really understand what they're saying? I see that Leo has understood this stuff as his journey is laid bare here. 

But many people on many threads are constantly saying things like 'there are no others', 'life is a dream', 'there is no centre' & other ultimate truths.

But is there a culture of people trying to sound wise but not really understanding the core of what they're saying? And if so, how many other than Leo have really plumbed the depth of this to justify their position of ultimate mastery?

Edit: I'm also absolutely open to the possibility that there are a lot of enlightened people on here.

What someone says on a post is a very small percentage of what really goes on in "their" lives, psyche, level of understanding, and the processes they are undergoing. I think we are very fast to judge someone and their level of understanding, just by a comment they have left on some topic. (I have been guilty of this previously. And I think its the same for most of us)

Its really easy for people to just be picking up the "language" that is being communicated here, a lot of people might just be picking up on the "vibes" of the forum and just be "going with it." (Later on they will also realize what was being conveyed in the topics/comments)

But everyone is on their own journey, and its all about: Remembering what we Truly are. I think we all get surprised as to what we say or write sometimes, as if we are writing it for our "future" selves. Leaving Easter-Eggs here and there, for ourselves. And be surprised to see that we were what we always were searching for

The thing that gave me a HUGE relief, was the realization that there is no "separate" other, we are all One. There is no-one to be better than. And to quote Peaceful Warrior: "You will never be better than anybody, same way you can never be worse."

[Vincent S]

This is a process I think we all go through, in some way shape or form.

1. Belief. (Airy Fairy wowoo stuff and mental masturbation)
2. Action on your belief. (Doing the work and putting in the effort. Not stopping until you hit Truth)
3. Direct experience. (Absolute, Definitive Realization that erases all previous beliefs, thoughts and concepts. You are just left with what is. Once you have your direct experience, its there. Solid. With or without your beliefs or actions)

Everything in this process, that falls off of you, is all Untrue/False stuff. What stays is Absolute Truth. If you have done it right, of course.

[axiom]

On 05/03/2022 at 7:23 PM, Mips said:

As per the title, I wonder what percent of people on the forum who say ultimate truths really understand what they're saying? I see that Leo has understood this stuff as his journey is laid bare here. 

But many people on many threads are constantly saying things like 'there are no others', 'life is a dream', 'there is no centre' & other ultimate truths.

But is there a culture of people trying to sound wise but not really understanding the core of what they're saying? And if so, how many other than Leo have really plumbed the depth of this to justify their position of ultimate mastery?

Edit: I'm also absolutely open to the possibility that there are a lot of enlightened people on here.

It’s just hubris. No one here really has any clue at all. 

[Thought Art]

On 2022-03-06 at 6:53 PM, axiom said:

It’s just hubris. No one here really has any clue at all. 

Which you have no evidence lol

[Loba]

On 3/6/2022 at 2:53 PM, axiom said:

It’s just hubris. No one here really has any clue at all. 

Nope, we mostly all have some clues, it's more like... everyone gets their own puzzle picture and pieces that they put together that will make sense for them, and the best you can do is try to help people think for themselves and find the answers from their own intuitive processes - direct experience,  and then they can decide for themselves what they find is true or not.  We can impose our puzzle pieces, but it won't be the same as them uncovering their own.

The more spiritual and enlightenment moments Mips has, the more she can decide for herself what is and is not true, and can figure out if what people say is true or not for their individual path. <3  It's good to be skeptical when people are telling you things about reality, especially when it needs to be figured out mostly on one's own.

[Breakingthewall]

many have moments of lucidity and express them masterfully. those same ones can be foolish and arrogant at another time