Posted March 1, 2022 55 minutes ago, Ineedanswers said: but why not waste it on something that will give me direct happiness Feel free to waste it on injecting heroin directly into your dick. You're not gonna upset God. If you need rational reasons for donating to charity, just don't donate. You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 1, 2022 @Nivsch not at all.i had already realized that we are all one. The insight that others do not have independent experiences,feelings emotions only seems like a small step from there. its exactly like my night dreams arent they? I still treat my family ,friends exactly the same.i just choose not to talk about because i enjoy the dream. Its just that activities like charity/helpinh the poor seem pointless if there is no one to experienece happiness. I would much rather buy expensive splurgy gifts for my close friends or family or go on a expensive vacation if the homeless cant feel pain. I undertand that my friends and family dont have experiences emotions of their own either.but i love playing the game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 1, 2022 (edited) Just now, Leo Gura said: Feel free to waste it on injecting heroin directly into your dick. You're not gonna upset God. If you need rational reasons for donating to charity, just don't donate. In the past i didnt donate for rational reasons but for purely emotional reasons .In the past i would donate more out of love, guilt.since i thought that by not donating im ignoring others pain.but after that insight that others do not feel pain and happiness i no longer feel guilt. How can i feel guilt/empathy when no one is being harmed? What motivation is there to help somebody who doesnt experience sadness/displeasure? Edited March 1, 2022 by Ineedanswers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 1, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Ineedanswers said: @Nivsch not at all.i had already realized that we are all one. The insight that others do not have independent experiences,feelings emotions only seems like a small step from there. its exactly like my night dreams arent they? If you enjoy thinking that so go for it. The distance between "no seperation we are infinitely together" and between "I am alone" is very small and thats why everyone can very easily choose the version they wants to be true! It is far many light years from an objective decision. Personally I believe only in the together version. Edited March 1, 2022 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 1, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Ineedanswers said: ? Why cant i still stay in my dream(relative perspective)while also remembering the truths of the ultimate perspective? You mean cherry picking illusions? Sure, you can take the illusions that seem to serve your ego, and ignore the illusions that don't serve your ego. Up to you how you live your life Edited March 1, 2022 by GreenWoods sleep yoga Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 1, 2022 4 minutes ago, Ineedanswers said: In the past i didnt donate for rational reasons but for purely emotional reasons .In the past i would donate more out of love, guilt.since i thought that by not donating im ignoring others pain.but after that insight that others do not feel pain and happiness i no longer feel guilt. How can i feel guilt/empathy when no one is being harmed? What motivation is there to help somebody who doesnt experience sadness/displeasure? You're not awake so all of this is mental masturbation for you. You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 1, 2022 (edited) @GreenWoods whats wrong with zen devilry if there is no one to be harmed? Or else whats do you recommend? Continue to giving to charity although there is nobody else who is experiecing pleasure and pretending that im doing good and making a difference in the world? Edited March 1, 2022 by Ineedanswers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 1, 2022 @Leo Gura im definitely not awake as you.im pretty sure i awoke to oneness but i definitely am not on ramana maharshi or your level etc.this is why im asking for you advice But either way.there is no difference between buying a 1000 dollar pc and donating the 1000 dollars to charity ethically right? Im the only one who experiences pain and pleasure so why not? Why play the game of being a noble hero.ultimately there is no one to help but myself isnt it? Have i bastardized your teaching? If so please tell me how,its a genuine misunderstanding,im not doing it on purpose. Is there anything wrong with being a zen devil if there is noone else to experience pain? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 1, 2022 1 minute ago, Ineedanswers said: @GreenWoods whats wrong with zen devilry if there is no one to be harmed? Ultimately there is nothing wrong with anything. 2 minutes ago, Ineedanswers said: Or else whats do you recommend? Continue to giving to charity although there is nobody else who is experiecing pleasure and pretending that im doing good in the world? I recommend living from the relative perspective. Striving for some kind of balance between your happiness and others' happiness. sleep yoga Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 1, 2022 @Ineedanswers I am not sure if i am right but maybe you are compulsive about this issue? Is this issue of solipsism bothers/scares you? 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 1, 2022 (edited) Just now, GreenWoods said: Ultimately there is nothing wrong with anything. Yep this is all i was looking for.im not going to go out of my way to hurt anyone or do anything nonsensical like that. But i also havent heard a argument that that has convinced me that there is any reason to feel guilty about not giving to charity.it seems pointless to give to/sacrifice for imaginary dreamt up characters. Edited March 1, 2022 by Ineedanswers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 1, 2022 Just now, Nivsch said: Is this issue of solipsism bothers/scares you? Not at all.i had a intuition this was the case.im perfectly fine with it. Just want to hear a convincing argumemt for why i should feel guilty for not giving to charity when others dont feel pain pleasure Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 1, 2022 1 minute ago, Ineedanswers said: Not at all.i had a intuition this was the case.im perfectly fine with it. Just want to hear a convincing argumemt for why i should feel guilty for not giving to charity when others dont feel pain pleasure Ok ? 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 1, 2022 4 minutes ago, Ineedanswers said: .it seems pointless to give to give to imaginary dreamt up characters It is up to you to decide what is "pointless" based on which illusions you adopt and which illusions you don't adopt. sleep yoga Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 1, 2022 @Nivsch ❤❤❤❤?????thanks for being concerned.love you Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 1, 2022 (edited) @GreenWoods 1 minute ago, GreenWoods said: It is up to you to decide what is "pointless" based on which illusions you adopt and which illusions you don't adopt. I dont think im necessarily buying into any illusions. is it an illusion that im dreaming up everybody(including you and me) and that you and others dont have any feelings thoughts or emotions independent of me?no right? Only I experience things. I like to think of it more like lucid dreaming.ive realized im only dreaming im bruce wayne and will have to wakeup(die) at somepoint.but i still want to hangout with alfred,gordan and rachel(eventhough they have no feeling thoughts emotions of their own).i know im in a dream and that im the only thing that exists but i still want to explore this dream some more because hanging out with my friends/family and materialistic things gives me pleasure Edited March 1, 2022 by Ineedanswers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 1, 2022 @Ineedanswers Ultimately all your life is an illusion. Past, future, self, other, cause & effect, distinctions (like between pain and pleasure), ... all illusions. sleep yoga Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 1, 2022 @GreenWoods yes i agree .to speak in terms of the night dream analogy .bruce wayne too doesnt exist.only me "ineedanswers" the dreamer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 1, 2022 1 minute ago, Ineedanswers said: @GreenWoods yes i agree .to speak in terms of the night dream analogy .bruce wayne too doesnt exist.only me "ineedanswers" the dreamer Though there also isn't a @Ineedanswers. There are just phenomena that make it seem like there is someone. It's just God/Love. Everything else you say about it is an illusion. sleep yoga Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 1, 2022 (edited) @GreenWoods is it true that there is no "ineedanswers" though? Isnt this like saying the person who is dreaming that he is brucewayne is imaginary as well? According to my direct xp -ineedanswers exists,its just that he has mistaken who he is.he is not a humanbeing on earth but god.he is the only thing that exists.the ego "ineedanswers who is a human on earth" definitely doesnt exist,the ego ineedanswers is as imaginary as greenwoods and leos. You may ask,if you know both ineedanswers and the homeless are imaginary who do you choose to serve ineedanswers but not the homeless? Thats because i have direct xp of being ineedanswers.the illusion is strong and beautiful and i want to enjoy it. The fact that we are both illusiory is my point.in the past i thought if i didnt give to charity i shoulf feel guilty as i wasnt helping reducinh suffering.after the realization my suffering and others suffering is illusury i dont feel the guilt as strongly and overtime im sure itll disapear for good Edited March 1, 2022 by Ineedanswers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
