Ukraine

[Johnny Galt]

What do you see here: 

https://ua.usembassy.gov/embassy/kyiv/sections-offices/defense-threat-reduction-office/biological-threat-reduction-program/?fbclid=IwAR2PnzGGOxOfO_8DJ4smaxbZj6Dns5kl-mFS7AXnR1TkXZPBK5YyeeWzPqo

 

https://web.archive.org/web/20170130193016/https://photos.state.gov/libraries/ukraine/895/pdf/dtro-kharkiv-eng.pdf

https://web.archive.org/web/20210511164310/https://photos.state.gov/libraries/ukraine/895/pdf/dtro-luhansk-eng.pdf

https://web.archive.org/web/20170221125752/https://photos.state.gov/libraries/ukraine/895/pdf/dtro-dnipropetrovsk-eng.pdf

https://web.archive.org/web/20210506053014/https://photos.state.gov/libraries/ukraine/895/pdf/dtro-vinnitsa-eng.pdf

https://web.archive.org/web/20170221125752/https://photos.state.gov/libraries/ukraine/895/pdf/dtro-dnipropetrovsk-eng.pdf

https://web.archive.org/web/20170207122550/https://photos.state.gov/libraries/ukraine/895/pdf/dtro-kherson-fact-sheet-eng.pdf

https://web.archive.org/web/20170223011502/https://photos.state.gov/libraries/ukraine/895/pdf/dtro-ternopil-fact-sheet-eng.pdf

https://web.archive.org/web/20170208032526/https://photos.state.gov/libraries/ukraine/895/pdf/dtro-zakarpatska-fact-sheet-eng.pdf

https://web.archive.org/web/20170208032526/https://photos.state.gov/libraries/ukraine/895/pdf/dtro-zakarpatska-fact-sheet-eng.pdf

https://web.archive.org/web/20170202040923/https://photos.state.gov/libraries/ukraine/895/pdf/dtro-lviv-dl-eng.pdf

https://web.archive.org/web/20170201004446/https://photos.state.gov/libraries/ukraine/895/pdf/dtro-lviv-rdvl-eng.pdf

https://web.archive.org/web/20161230143004/https://photos.state.gov/libraries/ukraine/895/pdf/dtro-eidss.pdf

https://web.archive.org/web/20210506212717/https://photos.state.gov/libraries/ukraine/895/pdf/dtro-pathogen-asset-control.pdf

https://web.archive.org/web/20170211022339/https://photos.state.gov/libraries/ukraine/895/pdf/kiev-ivm-fact-sheet-eng.pdf

https://ua.usembassy.gov/embassy/kyiv/sections-offices/defense-threat-reduction-office/biological-threat-reduction-program/?fbclid=IwAR0khC3epgUYHKrMO0rN6Y-BHprR1a0C5DBPBADPdGpziHnTf2cre-EikK8

 

Edited February 28, 2022 by Johnny Galt

[Preety_India]

Please give some explanation,instead of just posting links.. 

[Johnny Galt]

I'm still trying to make sense of it myself. There's more information that I saw which came with these links and yet I don't have any evidence to verify the claims that were being made and so I won't say anymore in regards to that. 

With that said, consider how much the "department of defence of the USA" has donated to labs involving "working with pathogens" in the Ukraine and then consider the amount of propaganda that has come from the Ukraine. I'm seeing truth and lies all wrapped in one and yet it's the amount propaganda, I've never seen anything like this and I've seen much over the years. It tells me something huge is going on beyond that which the public is being told.

Here's one of many examples: https://mobile.twitter.com/velzaresp/status/1498045102681477131?s=10&fbclid=IwAR3hpYHQ-itW8kvWubL9cOyY571CeO2v-tp-y7y_ba_Co7EaDn1Cuf81BIE

Note, my view on this is the people of both Russian and the Ukraine, they are unfortunately caught up in something bigger then just a war between countries; my heart goes out to them both.  

 

 

Edited February 28, 2022 by Johnny Galt

[BadHippie]

Yeah most of the pictures shared by the media here in Germany are fake as well. 

Crazy times. They don't even give a fuck anymore. 

There are a few interpretations I heard regarding the conflict in Ukraine. 

1. Putin is basically the new Hitler. (American and German Point of View) 

2. War in Ukraine is going on since 2014. Ukrain militair is/was bombing Luhansk & Donesk since then (13 000 deaths). EU and the USA used Ukraine to push against Russia, and now Putin tries to end the war. (Russian Point of View) 

3. The whole war is just to distract us, because the Covid-Narrative is breaking apart. Putin and USA work together behind the scenes. (? Point of View) 

4. We can't know what's going on there because of this ongoing fight for "absolute-truth" by the media. Let's wait and see. (Probably where I stand most) 

Edited February 28, 2022 by BadHippie

[Eternity]

Really, the war with  Ukraine has been going on since 1993.  If you want to know what the background for all this current conflict is, see this you tube video.  It takes a few minutes before the reasons start to become clear, but it's the most sensible solution as to why Russia invaded Ukraine.  Once you get the connection it all becomes clear.  Putin has made a mistake this time though.  He didn't think the Ukrainians would mind being occupied.

 

[Preety_India]

11 minutes ago, Eternity said:

Really, the war with  Ukraine has been going on since 1993.  If you want to know what the background for all this current conflict is, see this you tube video.  It takes a few minutes before the reasons start to become clear, but it's the most sensible solution as to why Russia invaded Ukraine.  Once you get the connection it all becomes clear.  Putin has made a mistake this time though.  He didn't think the Ukrainians would mind being occupied.

 

Lmao, Putin didn't realize that we're living in the age of cancel culture. He basically got canceled. 

 

[Johnny Galt]

Huh, did she just say that? did she just say, we are fighting for a NWO? Yup. Think that through...

With that said, have you seen the film, Fog of War? 

 

 

[rnd]

Reuters is a trusted source, isn't it?

 

How then about Neo-nazies in Ukraine?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cohen-ukraine-commentary-idUSKBN1GV2TY

 

[Ryan_047]

4 minutes ago, rnd said:

How then about Neo-nazies in Ukraine?

Funded by Putin's Russia. This is not something new, Russia has funded extremist groups and far right political parties in Europe for years now. This can especially be seen in Eastern European countries. 

[K Ghoul]

5 minutes ago, Ryan_047 said:

Funded by Putin's Russia. This is not something new, Russia has funded extremist groups and far right political parties in Europe for years now. This can especially be seen in Eastern European countries. 

I would have laughed at this but the fact that there are people who believe that and spreading this delusion further is too serious and too sad to laugh about.

[rnd]

19 minutes ago, Ryan_047 said:

Funded by Putin's Russia. This is not something new, Russia has funded extremist groups and far right political parties in Europe for years now. This can especially be seen in Eastern European countries. 

It's somehow related to the "Azov army". You claim that Putin funds such nazi groups who would then fight against Russia itself, in Donbas?

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And if those neo-nazi groups are funded by Putin, what gives that Facebook has reversed the ban on their ads and therefore support them to fight russians? Meaning, they're fighting against Russia now. Therefore, how can they be both funded by Russia and at the same time be fighting againts russians?

Edited February 28, 2022 by rnd

[Carl-Richard]

11 hours ago, BadHippie said:

The whole war is just to distract us, because the Covid-Narrative is breaking apart. Putin and USA work together behind the scenes. (? Point of View)  

Omg ?

[Ryan_047]

5 minutes ago, K Ghoul said:

I would have laughed at this but the fact that there are people who believe that and spreading this delusion further is too serious and too sad to laugh about.

Sure, check out Front National (France), AUR (Romania), The Legionnaire Romanian movement, Jobbik (Hungary) + you can clearly see that Viktor Orban in Hungary and his party are pro Putin, Order and Justice Party (Lithuania), AFD (Germany), most political parties before the 2020 election in Moldova Republic, Ataka (Bulgaria), UKIP (remember Brexit?), Golden Dawn (Greece) and I can 100% guarantee you can find many, many more such political projects that have failed if you look deep enough into any EE country in the last 30 years. There are probably more groups I forgot to mention, which receive in any way funding from Russia through intermediates. 

All of the above groups have some things in common: they are promoted by international Russian propaganda outlets such as Sputnik as well as local Eastern European pro Russian (and funded) news agencies (this is 100% verifiable, go check), hinder progress, create instability, promote toxic blue national values (one very common example is promoting the era in which the respective country was at full territorial expansion). 

I guess you also don't know about FSB assassinations throughout Europe either. Many Russian intellectuals who turned in any way against Putin's oligarchy that fled Russia, were murdered by FSB agents who were later promoted and praised by Putin. Do your research on the subject if this is new to you as well. 

7 minutes ago, rnd said:

You claim that Putin funds such nazi groups who would then fight against Russia itself, in Donbas?

They are not meant to fight Russia, they are meant to cause artificial instability and act as a casus belli for Russia, hence why Putin wants to "de-nazify Ukraine". This is a classic KGB technique, and it's no coincidence that Putin is an ex KGB officer. You can find likewise scenarios in Russia, all Caucasian countries and in most EE countries, ever since the birth of the Soviet Union. It's all history. It a nutshell it boils down to this: create an artificial enemy, and pose as a rescuer. In this case with Ukraine, Putin is saving the Russian minority from genocide and Nazis in Ukraine. He didn't say those things just out of thin air. He acted the same with the invasion of Georgia, but he was "rescuing" the Abhazian and South Osetian minorities. The list goes on and on the further back you go in history up until the Bolshevik revolution which was saving Russia from capitalism and Jews. 

[Johnny Galt]

@Carl-Richard do better then mocking and laughing at people; really what's point of even posting? shouldn't people be allowed to view what they view? or is that only when it's acceptable to you? With that said, people are free to mock and laugh at me, that's your freedom and yet I think it's time we all step up our game.

Edited February 28, 2022 by Johnny Galt

[BlueOak]

And this explains the human cost.
 

I hope to see a million more videos like this. It will be what stops this. Getting people to see humanity in the other.

[BlueOak]

2 hours ago, rnd said:

Reuters is a trusted source, isn't it?

 

How then about Neo-nazies in Ukraine?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cohen-ukraine-commentary-idUSKBN1GV2TY

 

When a country is in war, nationalism becomes critical, people move to the right. This happens everywhere. 

Russia targetting the civil infanstructure will bring this about quicker, as the rule of law and moderating civil authority is removed, extremism takes its place. We had this discussion in the other thread but as its been deleted no doubt it'll repeat.

[Carl-Richard]

22 minutes ago, Johnny Galt said:

shouldn't people be allowed to view what they view?

Yes.

[rnd]

On 28/2/2022 at 4:48 PM, BlueOak said:

Russia targetting the civil infanstructure

Firstly, you don't and can't know that, despite the fact there were missles that hit civil buildings.

The only way you could've deduced that is from the West and US, and UA newspapers that are all now anti-Russian. Logically, you won't see anything in them what  praises Russia, will you? The uncovenient for Ukraine facts won't be written in them. Or they'll be always refraimed.

 

Why did NATO and Ukraine provoke Russia in the first place? What do you think?

 

 

Edited March 1, 2022 by rnd

[hoodrow trillson]

On 2/28/2022 at 2:31 PM, Johnny Galt said:

@Carl-Richard do better then mocking and laughing at people; really what's point of even posting? shouldn't people be allowed to view what they view? or is that only when it's acceptable to you? With that said, people are free to mock and laugh at me, that's your freedom and yet I think it's time we all step up our game.

How old are you?

You kinda remind me of me when I was a younger man, during the September 11th era.  Zeitgeist, Fahrenheit 911, NWO, MK Ultra, etc and way more explanations I've found online when digging.

[Johnny Galt]

@hoodrow trillson 44

ole 9/11, that stopped me in my tracks and had my eyes squinting and tilting my head with questions. The msm and their fixated narratives; they knew everything that happened, they had figured it all out and over night, and with great clarify, off to war they went - this reminds me of today. Shit's repeating and I want to bang my head against a wall  jk