Putin orders nuclear deterrent forces on alert

[BlueOak]

We are going through the same loop we had before on this

We wouldn't do it, doesn't mean he wouldn't use a tactical nuke. Tactical nukes are part of the Russian military doctrine to win. Smaller than strategic nukes not that it matters much.

But again he uses the fear of this to get his way. We can't let fear rule us but also we can't ignore he would do it.

[Snuitje]

@Preety_India  Europe is dependend on Russian gas. Russia was also just a trade partner, not some 'evil empire.'

[Preety_India]

The selfishness here is that European countries won't give up on Russia because they buy fuel and resources from Russia. 

That's why Putin is so confident. 

 

[Snuitje]

2 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

The selfishness here is that European countries won't give up on Russia because they buy fuel and resources from Russia. 

That's why Putin is so confident.

It's already happening. We're moving away from Russian gas and more development toward 'green' energy. A lot of stoves for example are already electric. Current events have accelerated it.

Edited February 27, 2022 by Snuitje

[Preety_India]

2 minutes ago, Snuitje said:

It's already happening. We're moving away from Russian gas and more development toward 'green' energy. A lot of stoves for example are already electric.

Hahaha that's a joke. Only paper, no reality. This point is highlighted by Ukrainian MP in this video. 

 

[PurpleTree]

16 minutes ago, Ulax said:

Then WW3 becomes v v likely

i think it would be mostly everybody against Russia in that case

not a WW

China probably on the sidelines

[Roy]

Stop with feeding the fear mongering. There are checks and balances in place, even with a person with as much power as Putin there isn't just a magical button on his desk he can casually press at his whim. There are steps that need to be taken and other high ranking people that would need to consent. If Putin has actually gone mentally ill there are other extremely competent people in the Russian government to prevent such madness.

They aren't going to utterly doom themselves, their families, and their country out of loyalty to Putin. They are ruthless opportunists and the second he stops becoming beneficial as a leader to them they will turn on him and rip him apart like a pack of rapid dogs.

[BlueOak]

Also I just heard the threat could be to put him in a stronger negotiating position, and seeing the negotiations are scheduled lets hope that's the main reason for it.

[Yarco]

31 minutes ago, Knowledge Hoarder said:

Don't be surprised, if Kiev gets nuked tomorow. That's all I'm gonna say.

Can't believe none of you guys thought of that posibility yet.

It's too valuable. If you're capable of taking Ukraine by non-nuclear means, and your goal is to make it part of Russia, why would you obliterate the capital which you'd then just have to rebuild later?

Edited February 27, 2022 by Yarco

[Preety_India]

14 minutes ago, Knowledge Hoarder said:

There is no Russian gas or resources in Europe anymore, what you talking about. All Nord Streams are closed, Sberbank is gone, and everything Russian is spit on.

Oh, then the video is a bit misleading. In that video it's stated that Europe is still dependent on Russia. 

 

[fridjonk]

Putin isn't dumb enough to detonate a nuke in his front garden. This would have massive consequences on Russia itself.

[Preety_India]

2 minutes ago, Knowledge Hoarder said:

I don't think Putin cares about rebuilding anything, nor making Ukraine a part of Russia - he just wants a buffer zone, consisting of puppet state - with strong Russian military presence.

Yes. Exactly this. It seems Russia is very independent. 

 

[itachi uchiha]

@Knowledge Hoarder it is said that once russia capture ukrain , russia will take rest for 1 year minimum .if they are more ambitious they will start after 1 year.can u move to usa within 1 year

[BlueOak]

12 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

It seems Russia is very independent. 

 

I never saw that side of it. Thanks.

[Preety_India]

Just now, BlueOak said:

I never saw that side of it. Thanks.

That's actually the biggest side of it. This whole war would have never existed otherwise. 

 

[K Ghoul]

27 minutes ago, Roy said:

Stop with feeding the fear mongering. There are checks and balances in place, even with a person with as much power as Putin there isn't just a magical button on his desk he can casually press at his whim. There are steps that need to be taken and other high ranking people that would need to consent. If Putin has actually gone mentally ill there are other extremely competent people in the Russian government to prevent such madness.

It’s not fear mongering, it’s a discussion of a situation that has been in the political talks for quite some time now:

“Russia says it may be forced to deploy mid-range nuclear missiles in Europe

Dec 13 (Reuters) - Russia said on Monday it may be forced to deploy intermediate-range nuclear missiles in Europe in response to what it sees as NATO's plans to do the same.

The warning from Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov raised the risk of a new arms build-up on the continent, with East-West tensions at their worst since the Cold War ended three decades ago.

Ryabkov said Russia would be forced to act if the West declined to join it in a moratorium on intermediate-range nuclear forces (INF) in Europe - part of a package of security guarantees it is seeking as the price for defusing the crisis over Ukraine.“

https://www.reuters.com/world/russia-says-lack-nato-security-guarantees-would-lead-confrontation-ria-2021-12-13/
 

[Fleetinglife]

Well, this Pandora's box possibility of nuking a civilian city was opened in August 1945. when the US and it's Allies - following it's official war doctrine of "unconditional surrender" for all the Axis power states, both Germany and Japan, - nuked civilian cities, with no military strategic or crucial economic significance for the war industry and effort, in Japan in order to demoralise ressistance to unconditional surrender and achieve this war aim of wrapping up the war this way - and now today we also know to send act as a detterence to the Soviet Union's expansionism in former Nazi or Imperial Japan captured, collaborative or client state territory and some of its own pre-war internationally recognised one. 

There is a ongoing discussion today, given the new documents and information that have resurfaced after opening of the historical archives in Germany and the US - that is "unconditional surrender" from a state doctrine precedent set in international relations, strategic warfare and military strategy, not seen before WWII, did perhaps in some instances more harm than good, since from the memoirs of various German military officers, generals and intellectuals, it was clearly shown German General Staff's plot to depose Hitler and the Nazis from command in 1944, was stopped from gaining wider traction and support because of this "unconditional surrender" demand from the Allied states that was just unacceptable for them do that let large part of their territory away be just taken by the Soviet Union without being able to reach a deal with the Allied states to impose some buffer zones between them across Europe. In other words, with that "unconditional surrender" demand they stopped the perhaps the possibility, with the help of some of Nazi opponents/disagreers at that point, not at all in the minority, among the German General Staff (Manstein later admitted to be one of them) and higher ups and intellectuals (Karl Schmidt) to facilitate conditions for a regime change within Germany and for Germany to negotiate and sign a peace deal or ceasefire agreement with the Allied states earlier (a separate one with them first, and then afterwards with Soviet Union, after the Allies reached a an agreement peace deal with the Soviets and together with Germans imposed a buffer zone between the Soviets and Germanies pre-war territory) and to avoid large, wide scale, indiscriminate carpet bombing of German civilian cities only fervering the total war camp and in some instances Nazi support because of their "humanitarian and moralistic concerns" formulated prior behind pursuing wholeheartedly and in some instances dogmatically in all contexts such a then brand new formulated war doctrine. 

Putin might demand the same "unconditional surrender" thing, if things further deteriorate, now from the Ukranian leadership for it's armed military ressistance and civilian armament ressistance, constitution and it's strivings for NATO ascension in some period of time and consider weighing such an option, even now in Europe 2022. not properly digesting it's WWII myths on which the post-war international order was built, by using this WWII Allied states precedent in both Germany and Japan. 

 

 

Edited February 27, 2022 by Fleetinglife

[K Ghoul]

Russian television today out of the blue shows footage of Putin visiting National Space Center that’s being built in Moscow.

Am I being paranoid thinking that this is a subtle sign that Putin is giving to remind the world about the nukes that he has?
What got me suspicious is that the owner of this facility is Roscosmos (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)

Roscosmos also happens to be the parent company of JSC Makeyev Design Bureau (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makeyev_Rocket_Design_Bureau) 

And Makeyev Design Bureau happens to be the developer of The RS-28 Sarmat ( aka SATAN 2), a Russian liquid-fueled, MIRV-equipped, super-heavy thermonuclear armed intercontinental ballistic missile. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
 

[Arcangelo]

10 hours ago, fridjonk said:

Putin isn't dumb enough to detonate a nuke in his front garden. This would have massive consequences on Russia itself.

this

[K Ghoul]

3 minutes ago, Arcangelo said:

this

“intercontinental ballistic missile”