All success with people/girls comes from spirituality/healing

[John Paul]

*fill in the gaps or point out false information to me @Leo Gura

Spirituality is your relationship with yourself and it's something that you do alone

Game is socialization to prove your sociability in order to hold power in the forms of: sex-woman surrendering to you, and title-potential "boyfriend"/"exclusive"

Business is socialization to prove your sociability in order to hold power in the forms of: responsibility/title/politics, money

Friendship is socialization to prove your sociability in order to hold power in the forms of: status among individual and group-minds, potential sex (introductions + positive gossip), business opportunities (titles/politics, money) So friendship is really a means to mutual gaining of power in business and dating...

Sociability is your ability to embody value: humor, understanding, consciousness, self-expression, Leadership, Health/Vigor, Joy, Strength ETC. In the flesh. It has much less to do with your mental-model of reality and EVERYTHING to do with how much deconstruction and fleshing out of your mental-model you've done. With people, you can't be needy for people (mom, dad, brother, sister, lover, child) so you need to heal through spirituality and deconstruction of your mind-model. In order to do this you need literal space and time (money, freedom, location) to do so, so you need spirituality (relationship to self and healing) to do survival (proving that you've done spirituality to people) in order to do more spirituality to show up even more powerful in front of people. People is just a GAME, the less you are emotionally invested in it, the more you actually "win" it (*not that you should be cold or cruel or a cocky "winner"; this shows lack of spiritual development anyway so it will blow up back in your face and you'll "lose"*). 

***LOVE is something that you embody (and give through embodiment)... it is NOT something you need. GOD = LOVE (healthy love)* You have no "friends" or "family" in a child-like, innocent sense because people will only give you toxic love and power if they think that your personal power (your embodiment of love) benefits them more than not giving you toxic love/power does (they care about their survival... not yours... unless they are stupid but that's also toxic love).

Sociability is the embodiment of where you are at in your spiritual (healing and awakening) journey. Also and more obviously desensitization/exposure (to people and social/dating/business situations) and trial and error are also essential but making mistakes doesn't hurt the more you are healed and it's much easier to learn more quickly when you're mourning less over mistakes (actually mourning over "needing" love-lack of healing) and instead focussing only on calibration. You don't need other people to heal, that's a myth. Healing happens behind closed doors, in front of the mirror. Also a level of health is involved but anyone who cares about them-self (which they will as they do inner-work) will begin to make healthier choices. 

 

 

 

 

[Danioover9000]

@John Paul

2 hours ago, John Paul said:

*fill in the gaps or point out false information to me @Leo Gura

Spirituality is your relationship with yourself and it's something that you do alone

Game is socialization to prove your sociability in order to hold power in the forms of: sex-woman surrendering to you, and title-potential "boyfriend"/"exclusive"

Business is socialization to prove your sociability in order to hold power in the forms of: responsibility/title/politics, money

Friendship is socialization to prove your sociability in order to hold power in the forms of: status among individual and group-minds, potential sex (introductions + positive gossip), business opportunities (titles/politics, money) So friendship is really a means to mutual gaining of power in business and dating...

Sociability is your ability to embody value: humor, understanding, consciousness, self-expression, Leadership, Health/Vigor, Joy, Strength ETC. In the flesh. It has much less to do with your mental-model of reality and EVERYTHING to do with how much deconstruction and fleshing out of your mental-model you've done. With people, you can't be needy for people (mom, dad, brother, sister, lover, child) so you need to heal through spirituality and deconstruction of your mind-model. In order to do this you need literal space and time (money, freedom, location) to do so, so you need spirituality (relationship to self and healing) to do survival (proving that you've done spirituality to people) in order to do more spirituality to show up even more powerful in front of people. People is just a GAME, the less you are emotionally invested in it, the more you actually "win" it (*not that you should be cold or cruel or a cocky "winner"; this shows lack of spiritual development anyway so it will blow up back in your face and you'll "lose"*). 

***LOVE is something that you embody (and give through embodiment)... it is NOT something you need. GOD = LOVE (healthy love)* You have no "friends" or "family" in a child-like, innocent sense because people will only give you toxic love and power if they think that your personal power (your embodiment of love) benefits them more than not giving you toxic love/power does (they care about their survival... not yours... unless they are stupid but that's also toxic love).

Sociability is the embodiment of where you are at in your spiritual (healing and awakening) journey. Also and more obviously desensitization/exposure (to people and social/dating/business situations) and trial and error are also essential but making mistakes doesn't hurt the more you are healed and it's much easier to learn more quickly when you're mourning less over mistakes (actually mourning over "needing" love-lack of healing) and instead focussing only on calibration. You don't need other people to heal, that's a myth. Healing happens behind closed doors, in front of the mirror. Also a level of health is involved but anyone who cares about them-self (which they will as they do inner-work) will begin to make healthier choices. 

 

 

 

 

   Well said, although I still think that success in dating and relationships depends on other developmental factors, more similarities versus differences in terms of values, cognitive development, moral framework, states of being, mental and emotional states, personality and enough general and specific life experiences between the two inside and outside dating and relationships.  Even some genetic factors as well.

[John Paul]

@Danioover9000

but all of those things turn out to be imaginary. and all you have to do is know basic people theory and display that you understand other's values/morals and are okay with them to earn people's trust/approval. then it's all about who you are most hooked with/compatible with

[puporing]

I feel like the more "spiritual" I get the less traditionally social I am. Keyword is "traditional". I very much enjoy and seek the company of people with similar wavelength but is just so rare it's like a miracle if when I do find that. When I meet someone like this hardly any words need to be said. The rest is mostly obligation like family or certain work situations for example so I have to put on more of an act more than anything to not upset the herd..  I think my life purpose (as opposed to "sociability") is much more/have the potential to be in alignment to the degree of embodiment of where I am spiritually. 

 

Edited February 27, 2022 by puporing

[John Paul]

@puporing ya i actually feel that way too. but then you are flexible to bullshit a personality when your personality becomes extremely flexible or that's my theory.. i also feel like i generally am more horny when i get more conscious but don't actually want sex as much i don't know what that means-maybe not enough high-quality women in area/life foundation issues likely (live in the wrong place)

[puporing]

@John Paul LoL yes true, just tiresome still, but I guess do it for love, while pushing the limits every so often. 

It makes total sense to me actually. It becomes this paradoxical thing, or you bask in the beauty of being and that alone is deeply fulfilling... Also yes sex with people you don't really resonate with doesn't feel right.. like some kind of robotic act.

[John Paul]

@puporing

mhm like as soon as i'm non-needy to idea of intimacy with some rando who will never love me like i love me i'm like why would i fuck you? ya so robotic, it's sad

[Preety_India]

Success in love life happens if you are deeply romantic. That's the secret not spirituality.

Spirituality has nothing to do with it. 

Although you can go looking for a spiritual partner anytime. 

 

[Danioover9000]

@John Paul

11 hours ago, John Paul said:

@Danioover9000

but all of those things turn out to be imaginary. and all you have to do is know basic people theory and display that you understand other's values/morals and are okay with them to earn people's trust/approval. then it's all about who you are most hooked with/compatible with

   I disagree with your claim that all these things turn out to be imaginary. It's one thing to have that insight and interpret and internalise that in your sense making, but it's another thing to convert, externalise and embody that insight into your every day life, with your current developmental psychology, stage, cognition, morality, personality  typing, states of being you habitually are in, and other life experiences and domains of mastery you have.  Assuming you are more spiritually developed, this makes sense to you, but you still have to consider that in practice it's impractical to tell a person who struggles with relationships and dating, that the women and other people you are relating to are imaginary. It's open to being misunderstood, and abused by some who are desperate to develop their dating and relationships, because the distence between the mental gymnastics of justifying the use of this insight is actually verh short.

   Be careful about just parroting this insight, in case you haven't realized it, because that is the most disrespectful thing to do to yourself, to disregard your other areas of development. 

Edited February 27, 2022 by Danioover9000

[John Paul]

5 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

   Be careful about just parroting this insight, in case you haven't realized it, because that is the most disrespectful thing to do to yourself, to disregard your other areas of development. 

ya very good point. i haven't realized this, i've just seen it. 

17 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

values, cognitive development, moral framework,

still think these turn out to be irrelevant to success with people

17 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

enough general and specific life experiences

don't see the relevancy

Edited February 27, 2022 by John Paul

[hoodrow trillson]

@John Paul

10/10 post.

Thank you for putting into words what I've been trying to say this whole time.

Once you strip "yourself" like an onion out of the equation (by spirituality, meditation, etc) you gain the love of the world.  Women flock, people flock, money flocks, good things happen.  

Ironically, by doubling down and trying to be somebody your not, trying to manipulate, "game", etc --the fruits of your labor are low quality at best.  

I also saw this visually when I was tripping on mushrooms.  There's nobody home.  

 

 

[John Paul]

@hoodrow trillson

yeah. i feel like dealing with people is just about as dumb as choosing what foods to eat/being healthy-not that being healthy is that easy  but ya know, it's stupid survival shit and it's kind of a bummer when you watch all of the movies about love and deep brotherhood etc. i intuit but am not fully subconsciously convinced that that's the complete opposite of real life. 

[Danioover9000]

@John Paul

7 hours ago, John Paul said:

ya very good point. i haven't realized this, i've just seen it. 

still think these turn out to be irrelevant to success with people

don't see the relevancy

   You don't see the relevance of life experiences? So, when you see two people who date, and you know that one guy had a few dates and is a virgin, but the other guy had dated and been in different relationships for 10 plus years, doesn't that line of development matter?

[Spence94]

@hoodrow trillson Yeah I think Julian Blanc said "People always ask me ' when are you going to teach us social skills?' and I tell them 'Letting go and raising your Vibration IS social skills! That's like 90% of learning social skills." 

Edited February 28, 2022 by Spence94

[John Paul]

@Danioover9000 you said life experience, i thought you meant general life experiences. ya of course experience helps with success in literally everything, practice makes perfect right? my point was just that personal development is mostly inner, and that relationships in a stage blue-orange society (I post assuming USA culture because i'm USA) is about power.

@Spence94  nice. i've seen him. i haven't dove deep into pickup material but i was surprised he was talking about "letting go" n stuff..cause in high school i just saw like comedy game and stuff from "simple pickup" and i thought "wow! wish i could get girls like that and talk like that...eh probably fake anyway" but ya i know leo doesn't like the bullshit/flash game videos, i don't like it either 

[Spence94]

@John Paul Love it. Hit it from so many angles. Thanks brother.

[Spence94]

On 27/02/2022 at 7:47 AM, John Paul said:

*fill in the gaps or point out false information to me @Leo Gura

Spirituality is your relationship with yourself and it's something that you do alone

Game is socialization to prove your sociability in order to hold power in the forms of: sex-woman surrendering to you, and title-potential "boyfriend"/"exclusive"

Business is socialization to prove your sociability in order to hold power in the forms of: responsibility/title/politics, money

Friendship is socialization to prove your sociability in order to hold power in the forms of: status among individual and group-minds, potential sex (introductions + positive gossip), business opportunities (titles/politics, money) So friendship is really a means to mutual gaining of power in business and dating...

Sociability is your ability to embody value: humor, understanding, consciousness, self-expression, Leadership, Health/Vigor, Joy, Strength ETC. In the flesh. It has much less to do with your mental-model of reality and EVERYTHING to do with how much deconstruction and fleshing out of your mental-model you've done. With people, you can't be needy for people (mom, dad, brother, sister, lover, child) so you need to heal through spirituality and deconstruction of your mind-model. In order to do this you need literal space and time (money, freedom, location) to do so, so you need spirituality (relationship to self and healing) to do survival (proving that you've done spirituality to people) in order to do more spirituality to show up even more powerful in front of people. People is just a GAME, the less you are emotionally invested in it, the more you actually "win" it (*not that you should be cold or cruel or a cocky "winner"; this shows lack of spiritual development anyway so it will blow up back in your face and you'll "lose"*). 

***LOVE is something that you embody (and give through embodiment)... it is NOT something you need. GOD = LOVE (healthy love)* You have no "friends" or "family" in a child-like, innocent sense because people will only give you toxic love and power if they think that your personal power (your embodiment of love) benefits them more than not giving you toxic love/power does (they care about their survival... not yours... unless they are stupid but that's also toxic love).

Sociability is the embodiment of where you are at in your spiritual (healing and awakening) journey. Also and more obviously desensitization/exposure (to people and social/dating/business situations) and trial and error are also essential but making mistakes doesn't hurt the more you are healed and it's much easier to learn more quickly when you're mourning less over mistakes (actually mourning over "needing" love-lack of healing) and instead focussing only on calibration. You don't need other people to heal, that's a myth. Healing happens behind closed doors, in front of the mirror. Also a level of health is involved but anyone who cares about them-self (which they will as they do inner-work) will begin to make healthier choices. 

 

 

 

 

@John Paul Love it. Hit it from so many angles. Thanks brother.

[Spence94]

@John Paul Yeah James Marshal from TNL also said "women are ultimately looking at who the man is underneath it all and you work on that through healing."