What does the no-self insight mean?

[Kamo]

3 hours ago, Mason Riggle said:

It's not really that there's no self.. It's that there's no 'separate self'. You are all of it. Everything. 

Many organisms have the sense of being a locus of attention that resides somewhere in their body, usually behind the eyes, who controls the organism, is aware of its thoughts and feelings and actions, but this humunculous doesn't exist. 

"What is often mistaken to be the thinker of thoughts, is just more thoughts."

So would you say that the same thoughts can be present in 2 people being near one another? Like would someone be able to see your thoughts? How or why not?

[Mason Riggle]

@Kamo I'm not quite sure what is being asked. One organism can tell another organism what thoughts are occurring for them. 

Two organisms could have similar thoughts, I suppose.. Or one organism could maybe have some idea of the thoughts of another organism by observing their facial expressions, behavior, etc..

[Kksd74628]

@Kamo

Not even close to the thing that was tried to be communicated Thing just is that try to see thoughts as one sense and thing that happen in the movie which is called NOW and HERE and not as something that "someone" does or even that "someone" perceives. 

[Kamo]

@Mason Riggle

Just now, Mason Riggle said:

@Kamo I'm not quite sure what is being asked. One organism can tell another organism what thoughts are occurring for them. 

Two organisms could have similar thoughts, I suppose.. Or one organism could maybe have some idea of the thoughts of another organism by observing their facial expressions, behavior, etc..

Yeah you understand the question correctly. I ask because there have been times where someone knew what thoughts I had just experienced in my own mind with surprisingly great accuracy to the point where It seems as if my own thoughts are perceivable by others, as you can imagine this is rather uncomfortable to deal with. I have also done the same at predicting the thoughts of other people to the point they question how I knew what they were thinking? This goes a little beyond mere cold reading like via external observations. Any thoughts?

[Kamo]

@Kksd74628 Yeah I know, my question isnt directly related to what is being stated but it does kinda branch off to the question im asking separately about it lol

[Mason Riggle]

@Kamo idk, I'm pretty good at reading my wife's mind. I've experienced telepathy with my brother while we were both on acid... but then again we were both on acid. 

I've known people who experience this discomfort you talk about. It's kind of a knowing people's intentions perhaps in spite of their words. I may have experienced it mildly myself when my awareness was hyper focused on what others were thinking/feeling about me. 

Edited February 25, 2022 by Mason Riggle

[Leo Gura]

4 hours ago, Seeker_of_truth said:

Then who is aware?

Infinity is aware.

You are Infinity.

If you turn your gaze backward as your "self", behind the eyes so to speak, what you see there is Infinity. Infinity is where you're looking from. Infinity has no shape or form. It's like emptiness.

No-self simply means that you are not any finite definition of a self. In other words, you cannot have any finite shape. You cannot be a finite object or identity. Because your true identity is Infinity.

[Kamo]

@Mason Riggle Now that I think about it, the situation that im actually referring too did indeed occurred a few days after i took LSD. I haven't even connected those dots. hmm? Thanks for that. LSD and telepathy is definitely a thing. Its certainly facilitates the occurrence more. My thing is i notice the anticipation of it happening just going about my normal day. Like im expecting it sometimes. lol

Edited February 26, 2022 by Kamo

[Loba]

@Leo Gura I've had an experience of this before.

Cool, this was a helpful comment.  Sometimes I question my experiences, I don't want to get into the trap that I often fall in of assumption, among others as well.  So I try to keep an open mind.

But I definitely remember quite a few times where I have had this happen to me, and I would probably word it in the same way, if I could.

Infinity 'is' aware.

[RMQualtrough]

I experienced no-self directly. Any "thing" which includes the ego and self is an appearance subject to change. Only awareness as pure awareness is unchanging. All elements of self are appearance.

[Kamo]

8 hours ago, Mason Riggle said:

@Kamo idk, I'm pretty good at reading my wife's mind. I've experienced telepathy with my brother while we were both on acid... but then again we were both on acid. 

I've known people who experience this discomfort you talk about. It's kind of a knowing people's intentions perhaps in spite of their words. I may have experienced it mildly myself when my awareness was hyper focused on what others were thinking/feeling about me. 

yeah Its certainly a tricky thing to experience

Edited February 26, 2022 by Kamo

[VeganAwake]

10 hours ago, Seeker_of_truth said:

Is no self equivalent to not being able to know the self? 

Yep, and something that's not real from the start can't be known because there's nothing & no one real to know about it.

❤ 

 

Edited February 26, 2022 by VeganAwake

[Matthew85]

This no self topic would be a good subject for an upcoming video. Many people seem to be confused about it. The awareness that is you that is perceiving will always be present. It can contract or expand depending on your state, but it always exists. 

Edited February 26, 2022 by Matthew85

[Kksd74628]

@Leo Gura

OPENING

I must ask this question from you, because either it is the language that you use that does not "click" or then you just miss one simple thing (obviously it would be hard to believe).

MAIN TEXT

Whatever happens NOW in the movie is all there is. I guess you agree at least on this. Next thing. Anything that is HERE and NOW cannot be the one that "perceives", because if it would be found it would just be another thing in the movie. VINK VINK that "I AMNESS" you talk about is another thing that is "object" and if it wouldn't then it wouldn't exist in the movie right NOW.

If you would be silent with no thoughts and don't believe that something right NOW is perceived then only thing that remains is _______ and the best analogy I have for this would be movie without watcher or content. No self nor other. Thing is not like if other is being taken away self remains, because definition of self is that there is opposite. So it doesn't matter do you kill other or self, because either way you kill 2 birds with one stone per se.

So basically saying that everything is self or everything is other both mean that separation of these dualities have collapsed, but still calling the outcome of this collapsing self or other alone would be misleading - at least if you ask me - because then you would just change definition of the word (in this case it needs opposite to live) so it works to your own analogy and that confuces people even more. We need solid words to point out things, because otherwise you would always need to think what the other one tries to tell you.

CONCLUSION

So agreement in definitions of words (dualities and pointers) helps information to travel. You agree?

ps. you can't turn gaze there where you are gazing, because at the same time you would be gazing from "somewhere else" and that which you gaze is another thing that is "perceived". So that which you gaze towards becomes thing that is gazed from the thing that is gazing. 

-joNi-

Edited February 26, 2022 by Kksd74628

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Kksd74628 said:

but still calling the outcome of this collapsing self or other alone would be misleading - at least if you ask me - because then you would just change definition of the word

It is not misleading. There is only SELF. Period. No other. Forget about other. "Other" is just an aspect of SELF that you have disowned in order to construct a finite self.

This is not about definitions of words. This is about your lack of consciousness of SELF.

[Kksd74628]

@Leo Gura

I agree that there are no "others", but as there is no "I" neither that you can point out, wouldn't it be better just to call it ____ instead of thing that does not exist? Calling it BIG SELF feels like everything is subject and that is not the case, because subject is something that cannot be perceived and if it would be all subject then there wouldn't be any experience to be had.

Better way to say is that everything in your "experience" right NOW is "object" without any perceiver. So the thing which exist right NOW is neither object nor subject and it has no name at all. Actually saying that "you" are alone as god is misleading, because as there is no even you, there is no one per se to be alone, but this movie, GOD or thing with no name. That is no entity and if it feels like entity then there is little sense of self left and if not, why to call it "I" or "SELF"?

Phrase "I am GOD" is like saying house is red colored when the house does not exist to begin with. I agree that the end part red colored or GOD, MOVIE, INFINITY is real. When saying I am GOD then there is something which is something else and if it would be that I and GOD means same thing wouldn't it better to say that GOD is GOD or just not to say whole thing, because there is no new information to be communicated if they are synonyms to begin with.

[Leo Gura]

13 minutes ago, Kksd74628 said:

@Leo Gura

I agree that there are no "others", but as there is no "I" neither that you can point out

There is an I. You are I. God is I. Everything you see is I.

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wouldn't it be better just to call it ____ instead of thing that does not exist?

What's meant to "not exist" is a finite self-definition as a human biographical self. That thing is an illusion. It exists even, but as something you are dreaming.

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Calling it BIG SELF feels like everything is subject and that is not the case,

That is absolutely the case. Everything is subject.

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Better way to say is that everything in your "experience" right NOW is "object" without any perceiver. So the thing which exist right NOW is neither object nor subject and it has no name at all.

It has a name: GOD or I or YOU or SELF or INFINITY or Truth or Love.

That is what you are.

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Actually saying that "you" are alone as god is misleading, because as there is no even you,

No. There is a YOU. YOU are God.

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Phrase "I am GOD" is like saying house is red colored when the house does not exist to begin with.

You simply aren't conscious of what God is, so you're confused.

You definitely exist. You are God. There is no higher truth.

These no-self teachings have confused the shit out of you. They are bad teachings. Stop listening to them.

The correct teaching is:

You exist. You are God. God is Love. God is one.

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Judy2 said:

It does not exist, even when it is believed to exist. There is not even a "real dream", there's just nothing there.

Ego is something consciousness dreams up. When it is being dreamt, it feels real.

[Kksd74628]

@Leo Gura

13 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

There is I. You are I. God is I. Everything you see is I.

To be honest I don't know which "you" are pointing to be I, because there is nothing like I to be found at this "experience" HERE and NOW. Everything that is in your experience is something that is "perceiced" and if it is not then it wouldn't be in the experience simply.  If you are talking about the "I AMNESS" then this is also something that is "perceived" not something that is "perceiving".

Give brief pointer to my experience right NOW which would be the "I" and if that cannot be pointed then there wouldn't be it and it would just be another thought. If you decide to say that everything in this experience is "I" then I wouldn't understand what you are pointing, because as I said that I agree that this moment is all there is, but there is no "I" that is everything, but there is just everything that is everything. period.

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Kksd74628 said:

@Leo Gura

To be honest I don't know which "you" are pointing to be I, because there is nothing like I to be found at this "experience" HERE and NOW.

YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU.

YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU.

YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU.

YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU.  YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU.

YOU EXIST!

All of experience is YOU.

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Give brief pointer to my experience right NOW which would be the "I" and if that cannot be pointed then there wouldn't be it and it would just be another thought. If you decide to say that everything in this experience is "I" then I wouldn't understand what you are pointing, because as I said that I agree that this moment is all there is, but there is no "I" that is everything, but there is just everything that is everything. period.

You can't understand what I am pointing at because if you did it would kill you.

This is not a mistake. Your life depends on you not getting it.