Request to Leo, to make blog post/video about Putin behavior in Ukraine.

[Leo Gura]

19 hours ago, Ananta said:

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/01/putin-the-west-has-ignored-russian-security-concerns-on-nato-ukraine.html

It's been on the news (read article) and I watched a video of Putin speaking (cant find atm), where Putin specifically states that NATO spreading further east, as well as Ukraine possibly becoming a NATO member was a security issue for Russia that he was no longer going to tolerate, because the US could line the border of Russia on the Ukraine side with missiles aimed at Moscow.

It's just that many don't want to believe it's the real reason and that Putin just wanted to expand Russia, have control over their resources, etc.

So, it's what you chose to believe, because neither can be proven 100%. If you believe what he actually said, then some will say he was lying. If you believe he wanted to expand and wanted the resources, some will say you are fabricating that theory and have no solid proof, see? 

I personally think there's truth in both theories, therefore it's probably both/and, not either/or...

It's probably a combination of the two.

NATO is definitely a legit concern for Putin. There is no denying that. Putin has wanted to weaken and dismantle NATO for a long time. On this point Putin is rather reasonable.

But also Putin seems to believe that Ukrainians are actually Russians, and not a legit sovereign people. On this point Putin is rather delusional. Clearly the Ukrainians consider themselves independent and they will not just agree to become Russians. This is just silly. This would be like telling Canadians that they are really Americans and then invading Canada.

[PurpleTree]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

 

NATO is definitely a legit concern for Putin. There is no denying that. Putin has wanted to weaken and dismantle NATO for a long time. On this point Putin is rather reasonable.

Putin just made NATO like 5X stronger though. Countries like Finland and Sweden likely to join.

And more "pacifist" countries like Germany beefing up their security by a 100 billion.

Very dumb move imo thus far but we'll see what happened exactly in a few years or so

[Leo Gura]

7 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Putin just made NATO like 5X stronger though. Countries like Finland and Sweden likely to join.

And more "pacifist" countries like Germany beefing up their security by a 100 billion.

Very dumb move imo thus far but we'll see what happened exactly in a few years or so

Yes, I think this move will backfire on him. I expected him to be smarter, especially in light of how the US invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan went. I don't understand how he thinks that annexing Ukraine to go better than Iraq.

[vizual]

Putin looked at the west and thought the west went soft because of all the woke-ification going on; transgenders, animal rights, MeToo, environment etc. He never expected such an agressive backlash for invading Ukraine.

He also has zero respect for Biden

Edited March 3, 2022 by vizual

[PurpleTree]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes, I think this move will backfire on him. I expected him to be smarter, especially in light of how the US invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan went. He cannot expect annexing Ukraine to go better than Iraq.

imo there are 3 options (well maybe there are countless but 3 come to mind)

1 he's really not that smart and miscalculated a lot ( i think even if he's not that smart he'd have smart people around him though)

2 this is all going according to plan

3 he was so scared of the Ukraine getting closer to the west or NATO weapons stationed there and thinks this equals basically the destruction of Russia, that he's willing to go all out for it and stopped to care

[INFP RACOON BABY]

10 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes, I think this move will backfire on him. I expected him to be smarter, especially in light of how the US invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan went. I don't understand how he thinks that annexing Ukraine to go better than Iraq.

There is something here that does not add up. He must know that annexing ukraine will not go well for him so then I dont think we can rule out he actually is insane. You presume he is not insane and that he is playing a subtle chess game.

But what if we are thinking i cant see his end game in ukraine that looks like a bad mistake. And in his mind he is thinking the actual end game is nuclear war which i can survive by hiding in a bunker. He could think well i am 67 i have a hatred for the west who give a fook? My point is we really do not know how insane he is.

[hoodrow trillson]

7 minutes ago, vizual said:

Putin looked at the west and thought the west went soft because of all the woke-ification going on; transgenders, animal rights, MeToo, environment etc. He never expected such an agressive backlash for invading Ukraine.

He also has zero respect for Biden

Ironically, the "woke-ification" was a sign that America was getting more powerful.   If we have enough free time to get real messy and try to sort ourselves out in society (racism, immigration, gender, pandemic response, taxing the wealthy, etc) that means we're making progress.  And at the same time, dumping trillions of dollars every year into the military.  

Meanwhile, Russia was stagnating not moving anywhere except riding on the coattails of America, using American products and devices and mimicking American lifestyles (only the rich though).  

I think what happened is that Putin ended up believing his own propaganda he sought out to inject into America with Trump (which worked by the way).  He started to believe his own bullshit and now he has $1 million dollar bounties on his head, a crashing economy, political unrest, using 1980s military equipment and having a hard time taking over Ukraine, looking like Hitler on the world stage.  The world is moving on.

[Fleetinglife]

8 hours ago, Yog said:

This sucks big time man. Its just plain evidence of how the propaganda machine works... Luckily we have VPNs, or Tor for the time being.

I live less than 60 km away from Kosovo and Serbia and its available here.

I might have to check out consider getting it at some point if I want circle some of these things. 

It's pretty incredible and surreal experience from me since a large part of my - free and online research time - in this time the previous and year before that 2019, 2020 and 2021. I've spent watching from stuff slightly from RT but mainly Chris Hedges show there about his invited author's guest old and newly published books on various political, economic, social and psychological subjects alike and analysis and tried to learn and incorporate some of those insights and materials from those presented ideas in the author's and their books featured in the shows into the ideas for my now, pretty in the pipes now at this point, academic studies and research in sociology at faculty. 

I've spent a lot of times digesting ideas, views and insights from his presented books in the last years from his show - in attempt to fuse it with my wishes and dreams about my faculty works and subjects, and ideas for seminars, papers I might write and did actually write a couple of them and submit them as pre-exam obligation for some faculty subjects on my sociology studies at the state faculty here by using the presented books of his and some of his guests and the books on various current social, economic or political they published he invited on his show at RT as an inspiration and initial ideas for what would be theme and my interest of what of the problems interest me in the world for the paper I might write at submit and as the initial starting and launching point of acquired knowledge and interest of an academic disciplind or subject I might explore and specialise myself in faculty and afterwards after I get the degree and finish it, but now the possibility of the prospects of the realization of that dream, motivationally and hopefully wise have left me, since I haven't been giving exams that much and completing my subjects or studying really in the past year and a half or so and more, since my current academic achievement combined up until this point went in the dumpster fire and to the pipes. 

But now it's all banned since it's a Russian parent company broadcaster and I can't view it from my country without VPN or Tor as you said, and it feels even more weird like a sudden surreal slowly unfolding world wide shift in perception and feelings happening at the backdrop without me really fully having a foresight of it suddenly happening at the seemingly drop of a hat, and the ability of it actually happening the way that it did, presented as and felt like across most parts of the globe and reality revelatory total break from my previous memories and habits and realties that was forced to happen because of the wider worldwide shock unfolding context and a sudden violent break from the conformist previous and taken for granted things that I have gotten used to will always be there that I got used to and have taken for granted previously in my own version of the bubble view of the world. 

Edited March 4, 2022 by Fleetinglife

[Fleetinglife]

6 hours ago, hoodrow trillson said:

I think what happened is that Putin ended up believing his own propaganda he sought out to inject into America with Trump (which worked by the way).  He started to believe his own bullshit and now he has $1 million dollar bounties on his head, a crashing economy, political unrest, using 1980s military equipment and having a hard time taking over Ukraine, looking like Hitler on the world stage.  The world is moving on.

This is actually a very meritable psychoanalytical approach of what might have happened on part of him and the old guard Russian leadership around him in their minds, they ended up noticing, which they knew from their own personal dealings with them and boiling under the surface the massive corruption and conflicts of interests actually existing in some parts of American and Western political life and history up until this point, but they overprojected this corruption being the most important factor and thing projecting their own massive one in the process which they justified as being forced to in and given no other choice towards in the service to keep Russia still militarily powerful and geopolitically relevant as a superpower in exclusively now military terms because of the horrible botched, not it invested enough it seems facilitated from the outside, fundamental transition, threshold point in the 90's, carrying still to some extent with them it's unhealed deep trauma and unaddressing the need to deeply work on actually healing it and overcoming it, not willing to let it go and release it and holding onto it like an always hungry dog to a bone, projecting it's failure exclusively on the West part with no claiming the responsibility of their own for it's ruggedness the way it was carried and botchedness, deeply unaddressing unsurfacing the unconsciously, very sneakily slowly formed victim mentality because of formed unconscious beliefs and feelings about that period and after that in order to project it too traumatic to accept personally responsible failures and faults requiring improvement, focusing on further maturing and growth and being and open and mature enough and not to prideful, arrogant and self-centered to accept others input and advice and later offered help on that, that you have unaddressed inferiority complexes towards, because of and for that hence complex of inferiority thus hiding itself as complex of superiority forming because of that, shielded themselves from as being justifiable in the service of upending the West's global position, influence and post-90s power worldwide in pursuit of an alternative system whatever the unproductive, destructive and self-destructive means for that to be achieved - to break free from this global corruption and decadence of society stemming from it, by nihilistic means in order to root it out and expose it if even by sacrificial means, which was the fact the only thing they could see from their vantage point because they themselves projected unconsciously their own massive shadow of their own massive corruption shadily, self-servingly acquired, selfishly justified by victim mentality of no other possible avenues during their historic circumstances which they came forth and which they think they are in now existing justifications, ultimately self-serving from a narrowly prism view of the whole order of the new globe and world from only their own personal narrow exclusive positions reasons and conclusions stemming from hence forth from that justified and presenting to themselves as justifiable for a wider historical goal, means to an end, seemingly Machiavellian, also projected onto to the west as exclusively also that which they are or in even more of a measure, and much more than them since they are more influential and powerful than them also operating in this way, magnifying the projection of the West's cynicism by the unconscious deeply unaddressed shadow of their own piling up over the years up until this point, piling up over the decades not bring able to exist in the first place if that wasn't the undeniable case for them in their view so it was the only thing they could see, missing the whole moving diverse forest for what was all seemingly happening and unfolding for their own very personal bias pre-chosen and pre-selected personally very disliked, narrowed and seen hypocritical and inconsistent tree, steemed also from suppressed, deeply unconscious and psychologically painful and unexamined deep rooted and  never fully unearthed to face it in the open, unrestricted, transparent all encompassing light feelings of inferiority and of current inadequacy for the current world as it is manifesting it in themselves as feelings of superiority. 

In others words if you don't actually embody and live something you cannot actually see it objectively and truthfully in whole for what it in the full it really is and  actually feels like, you can only have your own personal assumptions  and projection of it seeming from your own parts of your unconscious suppressed unaccepted and too traumatic and painful, reality grounding severely destabilising and shaking up parts of your shadow parts of your unearthed, archaeologically unexamined psyche. 

Edited March 4, 2022 by Fleetinglife

[PurpleTree]

Russians are attacking the biggest nuclear plant in Europe which is in the Ukraine

these ppl are mad

 

Edited March 4, 2022 by PurpleTree

[vladorion]

5 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Russians are attacking the biggest nuclear plant in Europe which is in the Ukraine

these ppl are mad

 

Lol, the amount of fake news and the absurdity of it.

There is no reason why Russia would want to attack a nuclear plant.

[PurpleTree]

1 minute ago, vladorion said:

Lol, the amount of fake news and the absurdity of it.

There is no reason why Russia would want to attack a nuclear plant.

ok buddy

[INFP RACOON BABY]

13 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Russians are attacking the biggest nuclear plant in Europe which is in the Ukraine

these ppl are mad

 

It is already clear to me putin is mentally ill but people including leo it would seem just refuse to see it and view him as some sort of 5d chess player lol.

[vladorion]

The West is getting more desperate to paint Putin as some crazy nut job who just wants to kill people and wreak havoc in Ukraine.

[PurpleTree]

Just now, vladorion said:

The West is getting more desperate to paint Putin as some crazy nut job who just wants to kill people and wreak havoc in Ukraine.

stop it pls buddy i don't want to put you on ignore you seem like a nice kid but you're making me do it 

[vladorion]

1 minute ago, PurpleTree said:

stop it pls buddy i don't want to put you on ignore you seem like a nice kid but you're making me do it 

You should stop watching TV if you want to get truth and not lies and propaganda.

I don't care about your ignore list. Go ahead.

[PurpleTree]

5 minutes ago, vladorion said:

Go ahead.

vlad you're trying reverse psychology on me but i'm immune, i'll really put you on ignore and you'll be sad

stop the madness now

[vladorion]

12 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

vlad you're trying reverse psychology on me but i'm immune, i'll really put you on ignore and you'll be sad

stop the madness now

No. I really don't care. Don't flatter yourself.

Stop consuming the garbage they tell you on TV.

Edited March 4, 2022 by vladorion

[Leo Gura]

5 hours ago, INFP RACOON BABY said:

There is something here that does not add up. He must know that annexing ukraine will not go well for him so then I dont think we can rule out he actually is insane. You presume he is not insane and that he is playing a subtle chess game.

It's so intellectually lazy of you to call something you don't comprehend insane.

Which is more likely, that Putin is insane or that you're intellectually lazy?

[hello1234]

10 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Which is more likely, that Putin is insane or that you're intellectually lazy?

IMO definitely that putin is insane - where is he going with this war now? What is his end goal now? Murdering more people? Why is he breaking all the rules of war, killing civilians, tearing down apartment buildings, orphanages, ambulances, firing at atomic stations, using vacuum bombs? 

Edited March 4, 2022 by hello1234