Is Nahm banned? Or just demoted?

[Inliytened1]

3 minutes ago, Gesundheit2 said:

Why in public though? It's very strange that this thread has continued and degraded down to this level without locking it or giving any warnings. Suddenly nobody in the moderation team cares about Nahm's public image, let alone feelings. Suddenly the bias has shifted against the moderation team, when Nahm is down.

I can't believe you, people.

We are dammed if we do and dammed if we don't.  If we lock it we will get crucified for a lack of compassion.   And we do feel compassion- at least I do, for raptor and the whole situation.  It's sad that nahms imsge is being tainted..but maybe his image was a farce to begin with.  We cannot hold any bias as mods either way.

[Raptorsin7]

@Inliytened1 Thank you. I'll try and do better

7 minutes ago, Kksd74628 said:

@Inliytened1

I have used almost 3 hours of my time to solve this situation and I know that it's not easy to look within himself, but the thing is that actually only showing him hard truth of himself is only solution here, because otherwise he keeps arguing with the helper like he has done for 3 hours. If it would be up to me I would actually work his sadness with him for free NOW, but before we get to this he needs to understand that attacking Nahm is not the solution and only after that we can get to next thing.

And Nahm is obviously not charlatan like @Raptorsin7 says. And his intention to stop Nahm's teaching is something what we shouldn't allow here, period.

I can't include all empathy in my messages, because I am busy answering to @Raptorsin7 about all thought mistakes he is doing already. The truth is that I care about him, but how could I ever get to this if he does not believe that which I say is truth. Because he is very argumentative person only way out of this is to show him the bad he is making. I know this, because I am pretty good at argumenting and at conversations and I have faced similar cases and only way out of them was to make another one to realize that he is wrong. Otherwise he would just keep thinking better and better arguments and that woudn't fix that he is thinking illogically.

Empathy is not in limited supply. But I understand why you argued with me to get me out of a hateful perspective.

I don't know if it's the right thing to do to stop Nahm from teaching, but it might be true. Maybe if we can find a way to stop Nahm from teaching people like I was when I first came to the forum that would be good

1 minute ago, Gesundheit2 said:

Why in public though? It's very strange that this thread has continued and degraded down to this level without locking it or giving any warnings. Suddenly nobody in the moderation team cares about Nahm's public image, let alone feelings. Suddenly the bias has shifted against the moderation team, when Nahm is down.

I can't believe you, people.

I expressed the energy I was feeling. It just kind of happen, I didn't plan it. But I think this was good, and I helped people see the truth.

“Run from what's comfortable. Forget safety. Live where you fear to live. Destroy your reputation. Be notorious. I have tried prudent planning long enough. From now on I'll be mad.”

― Rumi

I think true teachers are beyond petty concerns about self image. If Nahm is as real as you think, then he would be happy to see what is happening 

[Gesundheit2]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

We are dammed if we do and dammed if we don't.  If we lock it we will get crucified for a lack of compassion.  

And yet, you all seemed to stick with that option in almost every case for years. Well, except now.

You can close the thread and explain that the discussion will continue in private.

Edited February 23, 2022 by Gesundheit2

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Gesundheit2 said:

And yet, you all seemed to stick with that option in almost every case for years. Well, except now.

You can close the thread and explain that the discussion will continue in private.

And we do feel compassion- at least I do, for raptor and the whole situation.  It's sad that nahms imsge is being tainted..but maybe his image was a farce to begin with.  We cannot hold any bias as mods either way.

[Gesundheit2]

2 minutes ago, Raptorsin7 said:

I expressed the energy I was feeling. It just kind of happen, I didn't plan it. But I think this was good, and I helped people see the truth.

It was enough when you talked about it in the original demotion thread. You took it too far, and you were allowed. I find this to be very strange and suspicious.

2 minutes ago, Raptorsin7 said:

I think true teachers are beyond petty concerns about self image.

Another false and toxic belief.

 

[Raptorsin7]

6 minutes ago, Trickyp said:

This is the question, so if I rape you it is not about me but about you. Narcissism would be the superior "strategy" then. 

I think it's about both, but this thread is about me because I could have approached it better.

I came in with anger and fury because I felt so hurt by what happened and I bottled it up for years. But I could have resolved it in a more harmonious way, without turning to hatred. 

I think it was good to say it in public, I think all conversations are in some sense public because we are only ever hurting ourselves by lying or trying to cover things up.

 

[Kksd74628]

@Raptorsin7

Thanks for understanding  

So my advice for future is that you work these things with yourself or someone who is professional from your point of view. Actually I could talk these things with you, if you want and as you can see even when you argued against me and tried to prove me wrong actually I don't have any bad feelings towards you so that could be sign for you that I am not trying anything bad.

Thing is that just drop this want to stop Nahm from teaching, because I can say my hand in my heart that Nahm does not want anything bad to anyone else and this is the case for everyone and if you don't believe that then see Leo's video of Everyone Acts From Good Intentions like I told you. Also there is no reason to stop Nahm from teaching, because there are not that much of people who have faced something so radical like you have.

I agree that there were many cases when Nahm failed to talk in relative domain and talked in absolute domain, but I wouldn't question his understanding in spirituality and like I have said earlier not Leo nor any other spiritual teacher can fix your emotional problems and this is where professional therapist comes. Of course spiritual teacher may lead someone to almost kill themself if not kill themself, but spiritual teachers have no experience about people's mental problems and this is something that is not their job.

Edited February 23, 2022 by Kksd74628

[Raptorsin7]

1 minute ago, Gesundheit2 said:

Another false and toxic belief.

If you are a spiritual teacher and you see this and it disrupts your harmony and peace then that is a sign of your unenlightenment and need to progress. 

So maybe Nahm will get triggered and upset and will have to purge, but if he is authentic then this will not disrupt his harmony.

If he tries to shout me down, deflect, blame, project etc then its a sign of unconsciousness and it would harm him even more

[Gesundheit2]

4 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

And we do feel compassion- at least I do, for raptor and the whole situation. 

Compassion for what? For being so naive and donating a ton amount of money to a guy who offered free guidance? And then keep on buying sessions with him?

4 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

It's sad that nahms imsge is being tainted..but maybe his image was a farce to begin with.

His image is a farce only if you're blind to the overwhelming evidence.

4 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

We cannot hold any bias as mods either way.

Okay, lol.

[Breakingthewall]

Those who say that you have to hide or block the thread are like the Inquisition, or those Catholics who hide pedophile priests. the truth has to shine. those who prefer blindness, continue to trust charlatans who offer money transfers and do magic, and give them money, but it is very positive that the true face of these leeches comes to light

[Inliytened1]

5 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Those who say that you have to hide or block the thread are like the Inquisition, or those Catholics who hide pedophile priests. the truth has to shine. those who prefer blindness, continue to trust charlatans who offer money transfers and do magic, and give them money, but it is very positive that the true face of these leeches comes to light

The Truth shall set you free.  That said there were people who paid nahm and were happy with the service and their growth.  One such individual that I also talk to that has paid @nahm is @lesu.  So Raptor is only one example and there could be many other happily paid (or not) customers.   Whether they were deceived or not doesn't matter of it helped their growth.  And he has told me it has helped his.  I have always provided my counsel to him for free though.

 

[Raptorsin7]

Just now, Kksd74628 said:

@Raptorsin7

Thanks for understanding  

So my advice for future is that you work these things with yourself or someone who is professional from your point of view. Actually I could talk these things with you, if you want and as you can see even when you argued against me and tried to prove me wrong actually I don't have any bad feelings towards you so that could be sign for you that I am not trying anything bad.

Thing is that just drop this want to stop Nahm from teaching, because I can say my hand in my heart that Nahm does not want anything bad to anyone else and this is the case for everyone and if you don't believe that then see Leo's video of Everyone Acts From Good Intentions like I told you. Also there is no reason to stop Nahm from teaching, because there are not that much of people who have faced something so radical like you have.

I agree that there were many cases when Nahm failed to talk in relative domain and talked in absolute domain, but I wouldn't question his understanding in spirituality and like I have said earlier not Leo nor any other spiritual teacher can fix your emotional problems and this is where professional therapist comes. Of course spiritual teacher may lead someone to almost kill themself if not kill themself, but spiritual teachers have no experience about people's mental problmems and this is something that is not their job.

It's hard for me to view this entire exchange as bad because I feel like this entire thread has become more balanced and harmonious than most actualized.org threads. And it's because things were expressed in such a raw, unfiltered, approach etc.

Do you see you have created a perspective where you are an authority over me. I don't know how to say this without provoking you but i'll try. I think by you offering and trying to help, you are actually being toxic and this is kind of like what I am accusing Nahm of. It's like on the surface you seem like a good guy trying to help, but I sense shadow motivations and I think our relationship if I accepted you as an authority would be harmful

[Gesundheit2]

3 minutes ago, Raptorsin7 said:

If you are a spiritual teacher and you see this and it disrupts your harmony and peace then that is a sign of your unenlightenment and need to progress. 

So maybe Nahm will get triggered and upset and will have to purge, but if he is authentic then this will not disrupt his harmony.

If he tries to shout me down, deflect, blame, project etc then its a sign of unconsciousness and it would harm him even more

You're just weaponizing thoughts that you have learned in an unproductive way. I'm not going to waste any more time on you.

[Raptorsin7]

2 minutes ago, Gesundheit2 said:

You're just weaponizing thoughts that you have learned in an unproductive way. I'm not going to waste any more time on you.

I was wrong in attacking Nahm like I did, it was unnecessary. I could have accomplished the same goal of bring everything to light and expressing what I think of him, but I don't think my recent posts have been as combative.

It's possible Nahm wouldn't do that, but that's how I felt in the past when this topic was approached.

What is your biggest issue with what i'm saying?

[RMQualtrough]

2 hours ago, Trickyp said:

Narcs on the forum need this beating here, or how else should their selfish ass learn empathy? Raptorsin is doing ya all a big favor here. So shut up and listen and learn from him.

This entire forum should be renamed Narcissists.org. Srs.

Every other poster has narcissism or is a sociopath. The rest are the weakest of the weak being perpetually scammed and mind-altered. Every time one of these weak people trip it just so happens to magically align with whatever Leo's latest teaching is, down to catchphrases.

All these weak people, I guarantee are the same suckers scammed by Tai Lopez, Tony Robbins, RSD, etc.

 

[Gesundheit2]

Just now, Raptorsin7 said:

What is your biggest issue with what i'm saying?

I don't have issues with what your saying. I have issues with the moderation team, because it sucks.

[Breakingthewall]

8 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

The Truth shall set you free.  That said there were people who paid nahm and were happy with the service and their growth.  One such individual that I also talk to that has paid @nahm is @lesu.  So Raptor is only one example and there could be many other happily paid (or not) customers.   Whether they were deceived or not doesn't matter of it helped their growth.  And he has told me it has helped his.  I have always provided my counsel to him for free though.

 

Yes of course, but 10.000 $..... well, let's give him the benefit of the doubt since we only have the word of raptorsin

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Gesundheit2 said:

I don't have issues with what your saying. I have issues with the moderation team, because it sucks.

Really?  You have balls man, I give you that. 

[Raptorsin7]

Just now, Gesundheit2 said:

I don't have issues with what your saying. I have issues with the moderation team, because it sucks.

Yeah I have hated some of these mods too. I have a feeling since Leo's big awakening things will actually be different on here. Think about this thread, has there ever been a thread like this

[Kksd74628]

@Raptorsin7

It's not provoking and I don't need to prove anyone if I am good guy or not, but truth is that I have used lot of time on this forum just helping others and actually I get nothing from it, but smile to my face. It's not about having authority, because I see everyone as equal, but when someone knows for example more about how to play piano I would consider him/her to be one who tries to explain how things work. My whole life purpose is to help "others" and I have nothing else to do, but sit on my computer helping someone or to see my friends and trying to put smile on their faces and that's it.

You don't need to talk to me if you don't feel like it, because there are lot of others who could help you, but I just presented myself as one possibility if you would be interested about it. I try not to be toxic and if that what I do is being seen like that then I can do nothing but to apologize. Sorry for that Raptorsin7. for real

@Breakingthewall

I know that you mostly point your post towards me , but the thing is that I am aswell very straight with my words and I don't want to any censoring, but imho that conversation could have escalated so much more, if I and others wouldn't have pointed out clear problems in communication for example having too much hate.