Is Nahm banned? Or just demoted?

[Preety_India]

2 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Sure, it sounds reasonable if you want to minimize risk. I still think it will be a bit tedious though. Moderation happens at the edge of disagreements. That is where violations occur. Usually, the way you discover these disagreements is by being engaged yourself. Moderators are moderators because they are active on the forum, and the most active people like to engage actively in discussions. If being a moderator is incompatible with this, then I will gladly give up my status, because that would go against everything I like about the forum.

Actually some mods are not very active. They come once in 40 days, once in a blue moon and don't  have a clue what's going on. 

[Carl-Richard]

4 minutes ago, StarStruck said:

Most don't .. but not all and specially Carl-Richard. And there should be a mechanism to address that. Currently certain mods have formed clans, favor clans and corruption is abound. There should be an independent board that is a higher hierarchy than the mods.

You know what that board is called? It's called Leo, as clearly demonstrated by yesterday's events. If you have problems with me in the future, there is a report button.

[Carl-Richard]

1 minute ago, Preety_India said:

Actually some mods are not very active. They come once in 40 days, once in a blue moon and don't  have a clue what's going on. 

Then those mods are actually breaking the moderator guidelines  

[Scholar]

5 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Sure, it sounds reasonable if you want to minimize risk. I still think it will be a bit tedious though. Moderation happens at the edge of disagreements. That is where violations occur. Usually, the way you discover these disagreements is by being engaged yourself. Moderators are moderators because they are active on the forum, and the most active people like to engage actively in discussions. If being a moderator is incompatible with this, then I will gladly give up my status, because that would go against everything I like about the forum.

We have very different perceptions of what a moderator is and their role. In the end you have to ask Leo what he wants from moderators, it's his house as he likes to say.

[Preety_India]

Just now, Carl-Richard said:

Then those mods are actually breaking the moderator guidelines  

Are you guys required to be here everyday? 

[Carl-Richard]

1 minute ago, Preety_India said:

Are you guys required to be here everyday? 

?

 

1 minute ago, Scholar said:

We have very different perceptions of what a moderator is and their role. In the end you have to ask Leo what he wants from moderators, it's his house as he likes to say.

Yep, and what he wants is clearly defined in the moderator guidelines  

[Preety_India]

8 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

?

 

Yep, and what he wants is clearly defined in the moderator guidelines  

How should/would a member know that a particular mod is not following moderator's guidelines if they aren't even aware what those guidelines are? Keeping a member in the dark is a situation ripe for abuse. The member wouldn't even know that the moderator was acting unethical. Then how will the member complain to Leo? 

Edited February 22, 2022 by Preety_India

[Preety_India]

Actually after yesterday's events I'm more worried about mod abuse of power more than anything else. I had no idea all the shit that was going on here before that. 

I think Leo is characteristically very unfair when it comes to stuff like this. He needs to understand the concerns of members. 

If i was the owner of this forum, I would have run it in an entirely different fashion. 

The way Leo runs this forum leaves a lot of room for members to be exploited without much help available to them. 

It's like members are kept at the lowest hierarchy of power when it's members who run this forum, need this forum the most and without members how would this place even exist? Who would even need mods? 

Leo tends to reflect some sort of anti-member bias in his actions while running the forum, as though he is deeply fearful/resentful of its own members and this paranoia drives him to run it this way. It's almost similar to government surveillance. 

I hope @Leo Gura will be able to create more trust in the future because Leo on one side and the members on the other doesn't feel good. So there should not be an extreme hierarchy, more cooperation rather than monopoly. I understand it's his place, but what would a place be if he had nobody to interact with. We shouldn't need to feel as though we can be kicked any time, not a good feeling, it's a mutual relationship not a one way street. Fear, paranoia, mistrust should not exist. Can I expect Leo to be a bit more friendly? 

 

Edited February 22, 2022 by Preety_India

[Loba]

@Preety_India Same, I had no idea that this was going on with the mods.  I thought, "Well if I work my myself, maybe other people will follow suit, like one or two, and then from those two, three or four more and so on and so on."  And then this happens days later.  I had actively decided to change my own behaviour and stuff on my own.  Just because it doesn't work, I figured others would grow with me, too.  Goes to show how little I pay attention, because there's been all this drama going on everywhere, wasn't aware at all.

And now I am worried Leo will shut this place down; he sounded kind of exasperated in both solipsism videos, like, I think this place maybe isn't being used properly.  It should be used like an accountability group, to work on individual problems in a group setting in order to grow spiritually together as a community - and it could be, like back in 2017 when I joined to about 2019, and then... well... things went downhill when Covid started tbh.

I think the discussion should also include what we should do as members to help grow this community in the right ways, what seeds need to be planted and stuff.  There's so many interesting people here, I would hate for something to happen to this place.

I am a firm believer in transparency, personally, I have no issue with any mod or member here atm - just kind of focusing on my own stuff... but I really, really think this place could be used like a support system for new growth for people, and a place to share all kinds of different types of spiritual experiences, and less for debating, more for creating.

We should all seek to become creators in our own ways, to grow these parts of ourselves and share and focus less on debates and ego matches.

[Loba]

Like, what if people decided right here and now to take the debate energy, and make something each time the urge to debate or argue comes up?  Like, actively take an approach to reduce debate and instead come from a constructive point of view?  We could actively gather different pieces of the spiritual puzzle to put together and showcase the lives that we create for ourselves, like artwork.

There are so many great things we could do together as a community and I suggest that instead if fighting or corruption, let's work on projects and improvement.  The kind of behaviour suited for this place is a communal effort, I am trying to do my part by being less argumentative, focusing on growing and loving myself more.

Let's everyone do more of that.

[Preety_India]

3 minutes ago, Loba said:

@Preety_India Same, I had no idea that this was going on with the mods.  I thought, "Well if I work my myself, maybe other people will follow suit, like one or two, and then from those two, three or four more and so on and so on."  And then this happens days later.  I had actively decided to change my own behaviour and stuff on my own.  Just because it doesn't work, I figured others would grow with me, too.  Goes to show how little I pay attention, because there's been all this drama going on everywhere, wasn't aware at all.

And now I am worried Leo will shut this place down; he sounded kind of exasperated in both solipsism videos, like, I think this place maybe isn't being used properly.  It should be used like an accountability group, to work on individual problems in a group setting in order to grow spiritually together as a community - and it could be, like back in 2017 when I joined to about 2019, and then... well... things went downhill when Covid started tbh.

I think the discussion should also include what we should do as members to help grow this community in the right ways, what seeds need to be planted and stuff.  There's so many interesting people here, I would hate for something to happen to this place.

I am a firm believer in transparency, personally, I have no issue with any mod or member here atm - just kind of focusing on my own stuff... but I really, really think this place could be used like a support system for new growth for people, and a place to share all kinds of different types of spiritual experiences, and less for debating, more for creating.

We should all seek to become creators in our own ways, to grow these parts of ourselves and share and focus less on debates and ego matches.

Yes I agree. After the recent events I would definitely beg for more transparency from Leo. Not fair all this goes on and members remain blind to it. 

 

[Carl-Richard]

11 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

How should/would a member know that a particular mod is not following moderator's guidelines if they aren't even aware what those guidelines are? Keeping a member in the dark is a situation ripe for abuse. The member wouldn't even know that the moderator was acting unethical. Then how will the member complain to Leo? 

Other staff members will find out about it.

[Preety_India]

19 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Other staff members will find out about it.

I'm sadly disappointed in Leo after the recent events involving Nahm fallout. I'm sure most members trusted Leo deeply only to find out that he breached that trust by hiding so much from us. So much was kept away and hidden. We were being treated like we don't deserve to know any better. That sucks. But if this is how he wants it to be, then the ball is obviously in his court. But still deeply disappointed that he shows such little trust. We're not slaves, we are members. On one hand there is happiness knowing that he did not let the moderator simply get away with their ways by demoting him and on the other there's disappointment that so much was hidden from the members, so much was going on in the background without our knowledge and yet nobody could come forward because of the fear of mods. That is not cool. I mean the question arises - why should I care about a place that doesn't care about me? 

In all fairness, I don't want to be treated as a disposable. I mean no member should be treated this way. 

We don't have any value as members?

 

Edited February 22, 2022 by Preety_India

[Preety_India]

52 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Other staff members will find out about it.

I have an idea in mind. There should be a member's redressal committee here set up separately just for members here. So if any user has any grievances with a Mod's behavior, they could be submitted to the committee by the member before they're discussed with Leo. If the committee doesn't take the grievances seriously, then Leo can be approached directly. The problem is that Leo doesn't have time to handle individual grievances. So a committee can handle that. This committee won't have any mod powers but they can talk to Leo or mod directly and give support to the member who has been wronged in some way. This way a member will find some support and some backing for their claims and also some safety while opening up about their grievances without the fear of getting banned. The main function of this committee will be to provide support to the user if they feel isolated/targeted and hear their grievances and have some control on mods behavior. So mod abuse of power can stay minimum. I'm surprised that members don't have a support button. We are just given a report button that's all. This committee will also take into account unfair warning points and have the power to remove/revoke those warning points and take action against any unfair banning. 

 

 

Edited February 22, 2022 by Preety_India

[Raptorsin7]

10 hours ago, Gregory1 said:

@vizual this is crazy. Who. Claimed that?

I did

[StarStruck]

1 hour ago, Carl-Richard said:

You know what that board is called? It's called Leo, as clearly demonstrated by yesterday's events. If you have problems with me in the future, there is a report button.

You shouldn't be afraid for public feedback. You actually should welcome it like Roy did in the previous page. It only shows your problematic attitude as a mod.

[mandyjw]

Yesterday Nahm was initially banned then unbanned then banned and again (I'd assume) unbanned. 

[Preety_India]

3 minutes ago, mandyjw said:

Yesterday Nahm was initially banned then unbanned then banned and again (I'd assume) unbanned. 

Actually it is unethical for a mod to accept money from users. This is not the place for that. That is a serious breach of forum guidelines and in general bad faith behavior. 

 

Edited February 22, 2022 by Preety_India

[Gesundheit2]

This forum is becoming personal without development.

[Loba]

@Gesundheit2 *sigh*  I know, we gotta turn it around!

We need more community oriented projects to grow together as a group and that will settle the score naturally while people work together - but I can't think of anything that would work or that people would willingly engage in as a group.

We should, ideally be working towards improving our own, and everyone else's lives as a group - so that this becomes the most healthy forum out there.