Is it really possible to be successful in nightgame alone?

[Flint]

12 hours ago, aurum said:

Also, consider expanding your definition of a wing. A wing doesn’t technically have to know anything about pickup, although it can be nice when they do. They could just be dudes who like to go out and party.

The issue is that you need someone solid enough not to blow your sets and if that person is not learning game it's basically impossible.

If you want to pull a 2 set for instance you need a really good wing.

Also, realistically, if you're doing serious game, you will screen for logistics and bounce if those are not good immediately (e.g. boyfriend) and other optimisation shenanigans and perform at an industrial pace no normie will sustain. You can't even ask someone normal to wing you because he will not know how to even approach a 2 set and what he's supposed to be doing.

I've also winged complete beginners who would run away from litteraly fear 3 seconds after I opened the set

Yeah, finding good wings isn't easy.

 

[StarStruck]

Doing pickup alone is like trying to hunt alone. Yes, it is possible but the learning curve will be huge. 

[Truth-Seeker]

2 hours ago, Flint said:

The issue is that you need someone solid enough not to blow your sets and if that person is not learning game it's basically impossible.

Oh yea 1000%, that's why I'd rather go alone than go with a sociopath wing or someone who doesn't know game. 

2 hours ago, Flint said:

If you want to pull a 2 set for instance you need a really good wing.

Also, realistically, if you're doing serious game, you will screen for logistics and bounce if those are not good immediately (e.g. boyfriend) and other optimisation shenanigans and perform at an industrial pace no normie will sustain. You can't even ask someone normal to wing you because he will not know how to even approach a 2 set and what he's supposed to be doing.

I've also winged complete beginners who would run away from litteraly fear 3 seconds after I opened the set

Yeah, finding good wings isn't easy.

Yep, that's why in my opinion, I'd rather go solo and try that shit out until I find a good wing by some miracle, than go with someone who is a beginner or not even knowledgeable on pickup. 

But you do sound hella experienced, have you pulled a lot by doing nightgame solo? And when you do, is it usually a girl from a 3 set and above?

Thanks G

[Truth-Seeker]

2 hours ago, StarStruck said:

Yes, it is possible but the learning curve will be huge. 

Huge as in difficult right? Or also Huge cuz you will learn a lot and be really good after you go through it?

[StarStruck]

12 minutes ago, Truth-Seeker said:

Huge as in difficult right? Or also Huge cuz you will learn a lot and be really good after you go through it?

If you like the pain of reinventing the wheel you should do pickup alone 

[Leo Gura]

14 hours ago, Truth-Seeker said:

@Leo Gura

I understand your objections, but I got one more question: let's say I find wings that also have their own place in downtown Toronto, how do we pull a group of 3 girls? Do you guys split the group of girls where some go to your place and some go to their place? Or do you always pull all the girls to one guy's place? My apartment is super small...

You pull to the biggest and closest place. So ideally a place with 2 beds. You never split a set of girls who are close friends, they will refuse it. Just pull them both.

Pulling 3 girls with 2 guys is gonna be very challenging. You basically need one of them to drop off, leave, or fall asleep. Or you can try to grab a random guy to join you two. Or you can even call a wing to come join. Once you got a contact list of local wings, you can text them and say, "We got an extra girl who needs company. Come to my place."

Another thing that's possible is you pull all 3 girls to your place for an after party. As you party with them and have fun, you take your girl by the hand and lead her to the bathroom and go quick sex there. This is a good option when there's just no way to properly isolate. Just make sure she don't regret sex with you. Make sure she wants it.

Another good option is to party with them till the dead of night, till everyone is dead tired and start going to bed. Then just follow your girl into her bed. Often her friends could fall asleep early, giving you privacy with your girl.

You could also take her to have sex in your car if you got one. Or even outside in some dark alley.

One of my old wings literally fucked a girl in Austin under a bridge.

You gotta be creative. Again, make sure she's into it.

I've had wings fuck girls in restrooms, parking lots, cars, bridges, rooftops, ice rooms, and even in the middle of the dance floor at the club. You can even fuck in an elevator.

The other option with a 3-set is do it solo so the other 2 girls can entertain themselves while you eventually walk off with your girl at the very end of the night. You just stick around with them an be social until your girls to bed and you follow her into her bed.

- - - -

Just keep looking for better wings. Yeah, sometimes wings can be very immature or inept. But you will eventually find great wings, especially in a place like Toronto.

A great way to find wings is to attend an RSD Free Tour event when it comes to your town. The best wings tend to show up to those.

[Federico del pueblo]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I've had wings fuck girls in restrooms, parking lots, cars, bridges, rooftops, ice rooms, and even in the middle of the dance floor at the club. You can even fuck in an elevator.

Dude, you're killing me ??

I'm laughing so hard about this stuff. I'm imagining the facial expressions of a hardcore feminist reading these lines ???

[puporing]

@Federico del pueblo Not all feminists = anti-sex/kink. In fact I think it's not very feminist to be anti-sex, it's like saying women are not allowed to be sexual/kinky, not exactly pro-wom .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex-positive_feminism

Edited February 22, 2022 by puporing

[Federico del pueblo]

@puporing

Sure, anyway I often get a sense that when you talk about women in this "you can fuck a girl in the elevator, or on the dancefloor, or just fuck her on the street" kind of way feminists often do get triggered.

And let's not even mention how they feel about pick up (rage!!!).

[puporing]

@Federico del pueblo There was actually a subtle but enough difference between how you said it vs how Leo said it. One comes off as more derogative/objectifying than the other and I don't think men nor women likes being talked about that way. ?

[Federico del pueblo]

2 minutes ago, puporing said:

@Federico del pueblo There was actually a subtle but enough difference between how you said it vs how Leo said it. One comes off as more derogative/objectifying than the other and I don't think men nor women likes being talked about that way. ?

You're right!

Much love, good vibes for you! ??

Love, love, love ♥️♥️♥️ ???

[puporing]

@Federico del pueblo  No worries, much love. Cheers!

[aurum]

13 hours ago, Truth-Seeker said:

But, I noticed, as Leo even mentions in his Part 1 in the "How to Get Laid" series, that those girls are not interested in "normal" guys. Like, you won't succeed in opening them in a club

I didn’t watch the series so I don’t know what you’re referring to. But that sounds like some bullshit.

The biggest reason you won’t pull 9s and 10s using cold approach is not because they’re not interested in “normal guys”.

It’s that you often physically can’t even approach then. They’re literally in a different section of the club, like the DJ booth. And they get wheeled in by club promoters at a certain time, and then they tend to all leave at a certain time together. It’s a whole orchestration.

A lot of 9s and 10s are also paid to be there. They might be an atmosphere model or working the club as a bottle girl / waitress / bartender.

So the odds of you successfully cold approaching these women goes to almost nothing. You could get lucky every once in a while, like with a girl on vacation in a place like Vegas or Miami. But it’s rare. 99% of the time, you will not even get a chance to speak with them.

That’s why getting out of the GA section and into these more VIP sections matters. You still need charm, social skills and good logistics. That never changes. But now you can at least start having a conversation. And the fact that you’re in these VIP sections at all means that some high status guy likely invited you, so she’s more willing to talk. A guy might even introduce you to them, so it becomes more of a warm approach.

Of course the “competition” for 9s and 10s is usually higher. If she has to choose between partying a yacht with some celebrities or going a coffee date with you, I’m sorry but you’re probably going to lose that one. Which is partly why having a strong social circle massively helps. You’re just able to add more value.

13 hours ago, Truth-Seeker said:

I am moreso interested in the super cute 7s and 8s with the nice ass and the cute face and the slender figure and no stuck up behaviour.

That’s up to you. I’m just explaining what I’ve seen is possible. Whether you feel it’s worth it or not depends on your goals. Some guys will look at what I described and just say “forget it”. And honestly that’s okay if that’s really what you want and it feels in alignment.

What I don’t like to see is guys justifying to themselves getting 7 and 8s when they actually want 9s and 10s. Because now you’re just not being truthful with yourself.

13 hours ago, Truth-Seeker said:

You can succeed with the 9s and 10s maybe in daygame if you are super charming, and even then, it is unlikely and it would be a 9 or a 10 that is not a club girl or an instagram model. She would just be a 9 who works and reads books and goes to the gym and sleeps early; The Gf/wife type. 

I’m going to disagree with you here.

Even if you live in a city like Vegas or Miami, you still don’t have tons of 9s and 10s just walking around during the day. And they’re still likely a club girl or IG model. The fact that you saw her at the mall or the beach does not at all mean she’s some “good girl” who just sits at home and reads books. And I’m not sure why’d you want that anyway.

I would give up on that fantasy.

If I want to date a 9 or 10, it’s going to be with the full knowledge that she most likely uses her looks as a career. It might turn out otherwise, but I’d never expect that.

Alternatively, if you want a girl that doesn’t just rely on her looks as a career, don’t date a 9 or 10. Date a girl who you’re attracted to but still has more of traditional job.

14 hours ago, Truth-Seeker said:

That's incredible. I'll subscribe now. Which video of his do you like a lot? Recommend it and I'll watch it tomorrow! 

Look through his Instagram. That should tell you everything you need to know.

I know he has a podcast on YT but I don’t listen to it.

[Roy]

2 minutes ago, aurum said:

atmosphere model

I physically recoiled like I just ate a grapefruit when I read this 

[Flint]

4 hours ago, Truth-Seeker said:

Oh yea 1000%, that's why I'd rather go alone than go with a sociopath wing or someone who doesn't know game. 

Yep, that's why in my opinion, I'd rather go solo and try that shit out until I find a good wing by some miracle, than go with someone who is a beginner or not even knowledgeable on pickup. 

But you do sound hella experienced, have you pulled a lot by doing nightgame solo? And when you do, is it usually a girl from a 3 set and above?

Thanks G

Actually I found myself a good wing who was also practicing a lot during that time. You just need to find someone serious to game with 3-4 weeks a night, yes, it's rare but you need to find only ONE single person.

I did go out alone for training purposes e.g. during my 30 day challenge because no one would go out as much as I did but it's not ideal and I did not pull during those nights where I was alone, but I had close encounters.

There was one set where I opened 2 friends, and the other friend just LEFT us alone while the girl I was left with had a boyfriend. So I slowly escalated mind you, and at the end of the night, she kissed me so very hard, savoured each second of it and then ran away into the night.

There was also another set where I did not insist further but both girls were from out of town and seemed to like me (I mean it was day 20 or something so I was basically running around on fire ) - they both were very friendly on the open so in retrospective it could have been a lay if I just stuck with them for the rest of the night.

Overall gaming with a wing is WAY easier (or should I say convinient in a sense), especially with 2 sets. You can indeed push your limits not to feel creepy when you're going out alone, especially when not drinking, but you will learn as much with a wing. On the other side wings can be inefficient if you're stuck in a set helping them while you don't care about your girl.

I wouldn't focus on the size of the set too much, just open the girl you like regardless of the situation, see what can be done and learn from that experience. If you fail, you can just reflect back at that situation and see how you can handle differently in the future.

PS: I doubt you're in the same city as me (I'm in europe) but I would have gladly winged you otherwise

[aurum]

1 hour ago, Roy said:

I physically recoiled like I just ate a grapefruit when I read this 

Yeah it’s a very generous term.

I guess “we’ll pay you to sit here and be pretty” didn’t go over as well 

[aurum]

8 hours ago, Flint said:

The issue is that you need someone solid enough not to blow your sets and if that person is not learning game it's basically impossible.

 

That’s why I said “guys who get laid”.

I’m not talking about bringing in guys who don’t know how to handle themselves around women. 

8 hours ago, Flint said:

Also, realistically, if you're doing serious game, you will screen for logistics and bounce if those are not good immediately (e.g. boyfriend) and other optimisation shenanigans and perform at an industrial pace no normie will sustain.

Agreed. You’ll likely be on your own for the more hardcore cold approach if that’s what you’re doing. I’m describing doing more of a hybrid with social circle and cold approach.

[hyruga]

Definitely possible to succeed. 

If you are only focused on one type eg nightgame, you are ultra focused and can keep improving because you do similar stuff everyday. It's like having definiteness of purpose.

As compared to someone who tried nightgame, then library game, then chat game, then lunch game. The vibe is almost totally different. You may come off too sexual during lunch game and too mild during night game.

[Truth-Seeker]

@Leo Gura Invaluable advise here for pulling. Incredible stuff, I am very thankful for your time and effort!

9 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Just keep looking for better wings. Yeah, sometimes wings can be very immature or inept. But you will eventually find great wings, especially in a place like Toronto.

A great way to find wings is to attend an RSD Free Tour event when it comes to your town. The best wings tend to show up to those.

Noted. Also Leo, I managed to successfully cut ties with this psycho wing. My goal with this pickup shit is to enjoy life and not to fuck girls per se. The goals are arranged in this order:

Primary: Become Social and Someone that can easily make friends (I am already like that, just not with women)

Secondary: Create a high quality network of good people

Tertiary: Get laid

We'll see how this shit pans out. 

[Truth-Seeker]

@aurum Dude, you start off saying that 9s and 10s not being interested in normal guys sounds like bullshit, but then in the end you agree with me and Leo about it LMAO

6 hours ago, aurum said:

Of course the “competition” for 9s and 10s is usually higher. If she has to choose between partying a yacht with some celebrities or going a coffee date with you, I’m sorry but you’re probably going to lose that one. Which is partly why having a strong social circle massively helps. You’re just able to add more value.

THIS IS LITERALLY WHAT "NORMAL GUYS" MEAN!!! Those "normal guys" are the ones without the yachts and have less value to offer in a sense. 

 

6 hours ago, aurum said:

Because now you’re just not being truthful with yourself.

You're right man, 100%. But I want 7s and 8s because they are less stuck up, more humble, and less neurotically attached to social media and clubbing and don't make a living from "being hot" as you said. 

 

6 hours ago, aurum said:

I’m going to disagree with you here.

Even if you live in a city like Vegas or Miami, you still don’t have tons of 9s and 10s just walking around during the day. And they’re still likely a club girl or IG model. The fact that you saw her at the mall or the beach does not at all mean she’s some “good girl” who just sits at home and reads books. And I’m not sure why’d you want that anyway.

I would give up on that fantasy.

If I want to date a 9 or 10, it’s going to be with the full knowledge that she most likely uses her looks as a career. It might turn out otherwise, but I’d never expect that.

Alternatively, if you want a girl that doesn’t just rely on her looks as a career, don’t date a 9 or 10. Date a girl who you’re attracted to but still has more of traditional job.

Okay, I can be more clear. Basically, in my university, I have seen 9s that are "good girls" that just study and read and go to the gym and talk about feminine cute things and might be spiritual too. They just don't club and don't wear skimpy shit and have a really "modest" ig. In reality, I guess in your scale, they are 8s because they don't fit that cultural mold of a "HOT GIRL" you know?

I would want those for an LTR, which is something fullfilling and good in my opinion. Because, I kinda burned through that karma a bit. Sure the girls I fucked and got head from and did shit with were mostly 6s and under, but I got experience.