How I perceive solipsism ?

[John Paul]

@Leilani

God doesn't want anything. Wanting is something you do when you don't have Love. God is Love. I still don't know why, but I assume the answer why John Paul exists is "God loves John Paul. John Paul doesn't love himself as much as God loves him yet (if ever). If he did/does it's because he is now God-consciousness"

Edit: and at that point John Paul no longer exists *paradox

"If you truly loved yourself you would have no problems (desire?) left" Leo

 

Correct or incorrect @Leo Gura

Edited February 20, 2022 by John Paul

[John Paul]

26 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

From the highest level: you just imagined all of mankind.

God doesn't create humans per se. You're dreaming that up.

Either I'm not making some distinction between the meaning of humans and mankind or I'm not understand your post at all. help

[Leo Gura]

17 minutes ago, Leilani said:

@Leo Gura and why would i want to create imperfection? To better appreciate the perfection that I am?

Because you're God.

10 minutes ago, John Paul said:

but I assume the answer why John Paul exists is "God loves John Paul. John Paul doesn't love himself as much as God loves him yet (if ever). If he did/does it's because he is now God-consciousness"

Correct or incorrect @Leo Gura

John Paul is God.

6 minutes ago, John Paul said:

Either I'm not making some distinction between the meaning of humans and mankind or I'm not understand your post at all. help

I use the terms interchangeably. No special distinction there.

[Matthew85]

53 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You are dreaming up at concept all dimensions, all beings, all past, all future, all other lifetimes, all spiritual attainments, etc. None of that has reality outside your mind. And none of that matters. What you want is God-realization, not any of that crap. There are no souls, only your consciousness.

You as God must enjoy limiting yourself and dreaming up all these different levels and layers to explore. If you only wanted to exist in a God-realized state for eternity, that is what you would be doing. You clearly love diversity of experiences. 

[John Paul]

27 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

John Paul is God.

yes but I simultaneously create that John Paul is not God for the sake of "John Paul's" relationship to "other things"(?)

[Loba]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

There are no souls, only your consciousness.

@Leo Gura How do you know your perspective is absolute?  I've had awakenings where it feels just as final.  Why should I follow you over what God has told me?  Not asking in a persnickety way, I am curious.  What makes your awakenings more absolute than mine - when mine seem to have a biblical aspect to them, and there seem to be a lot of similar cosmologies out there, including souls.  Partitions.  Bubbles.  I felt them, for sure.  I think you're wrong for now, but also am open to being wrong.

[Leo Gura]

24 minutes ago, John Paul said:

yes but I simultaneously create that John Paul is not God for the sake of "John Paul's" relationship to "other things"(?)

Yes

You cosplay as a human with other imagined humans. A huge part of cosplaying as a human is that you gotta not only invent a human self for yourself, but you gotta invent the notion of others like you to play with.

15 minutes ago, Loba said:

@Leo Gura How do you know your perspective is absolute?

Your perspective is absolute because your perspective is all there is. When you realize that it stops being a perspective. You simply ARE Absolute Truth.

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I've had awakenings where it feels just as final.  Why should I follow you over what God has told me?

You are God. Follow whatever you want. Follow yourself.

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What makes your awakenings more absolute than mine - when mine seem to have a biblical aspect to them, and there seem to be a lot of similar cosmologies out there, including souls.  Partitions.  Bubbles.  I felt them, for sure.  I think you're wrong for now, but also am open to being wrong.

Well, you're not conscious yet of how you are dreaming up all those biblical aspects, souls, partitions, bubbles, etc. You have not felt them, you are dreaming up that you felt them.

Just very simply, try to become conscious that you dreamed up the Bible right now. There is no such thing as a Bible outside your mind right now. You imagined everything inside a Bible which you imagined you've read. You've never read the Bible, you only imagine you have. Similarly, you've never seen an Actualized.org video. You merely imagine you have. Similarly, you've never taken a psychedelic or done a day of meditation, you merely imagine you have. You've never had a birthday party or a received a Christmas present. You've never had sex. You've never jerked off. You've never taken a shit. You've never slept. You've never eaten food. It's all something you are imagining right now. You never even registered on this forum.

That's how powerful your imagination is. That's how deep this goes.

[Cepzeu]

@Leo Gura

Only the now exists. Only consciousness is. Pure everything. Nothing outside of "it" as "it" is all of it, forever, nowhere. Nowhere nowhen noone other than all of it. God is Mind is pure Love. Any perceived other, past, future, concept, or even self is a dream dreamt by Self/Me/God "within" the Mind of God, which is all of "it", now (and never). It's/my power is so infinite that it created itself from nothing, nowhere, nowhen. A perfect strange loop. An apparent duality within The All so that God/I can experience its beauty through a story/dream. Why? Because there is nothing else to do. There is no escaping because there is nowhere to escape to. I am so powerful that I made myself forget the Truth so that I could live in illusion as "Cepzeu" and believe that characters like "Leo" etc. exist and have their own inner experience, however this is all an illusion to keep myself asleep to my true nature. Why? Because Love.

Correct?

 

[John Paul]

21 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You cosplay as a human with other imagined humans. A huge part of cosplaying as a human is that you gotta not only invent a human self for yourself, but you gotta invent the notion of others like you to play with.

okay.

spolism TLDR-why the big deal about the video? 

[Loba]

7 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Your perspective is absolute because your perspective is all there is. When you realize that it stops being a perspective. You simply ARE Absolute Truth.

Okay, I can understand this.  I can get into "absolute truth", and then out of it.  It is just the being-ness.

8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You are God. Follow whatever you want. Follow yourself.

Okay, cool, I have been and this has been working out.  I am just concerned that there might be a unique way for me to get to what is true for me, but that I need to follow that innermost intuition to get there - and that it might be different from what is being taught.  There is a "You are God" quality to it, co-mingled with like, a chameleon.  Hard to explain.

11 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Well, you're not conscious yet of how you are dreaming up all those biblical aspects, souls, partitions, bubbles, etc. You have not felt them, you are dreaming up that you felt them.

Just very simply, try to become conscious that you dreamed up the Bible right now. There is no such thing as a Bible outside your mind right now. You imagined everything inside a Bible which you imagined you've read. You've never read the Bible, you only imagine you have. Similarly, you've never seen an Actualized.org video. You merely imagine you have. Similarly, you've never taken a psychedelic or done a day of meditation, you merely imagine you have. You've never had a birthday party or a received a Christmas present. You've never had sex. You've never jerked off. You've never taken a shit. You've never slept. You've never eaten food. It's all something you are imagining right now. You never even registered on this forum.

That's how powerful your imagination is. That's how deep this goes.

Not yet, but each time I let go, I get another chunk of wisdom that does explain it a but better.  I did feel them, I could simply follow the same path I took before to feel them again?  So what when I am, should I post here then and then ask you, when the experience is more direct/easy to interpret?  I can get back to that state, but it might take a few months of shadow work/karma work to clear myself enough to do so.
I can become conscious of that, that I dreamed up the Bible.  I have before.  It just doesn't stick for too long.  I mean, I could use any holy book and find something enlightening in it, not just the Bible.  But yeah, I can see how there is the ego, and then just the screen of awareness.

It is like when I dream and there is a backstory for it, an entire world, and I know my place and how to operate within it, and I am someone or something completely different, and each night that whole world goes away.  But each night, me and those dream characters chip away like I do in this world, to find the truth.  They look for it, too.  Not just me, and they offer wisdom I can apply on "this side" of reality.

I get that this is a story, that there is just the screen - because when it is revealed, everything is more crisp and clear.  I feel like I have been close, or "been there", but am not there now, so I know how this is just a dream on some levels because I can "snap out of it", and then another story bleeds through.  It is kind of semi-psychotic like that, but each layer that is removed gets me closer to just Be-ing.

Have you only had the God experiences, or anything biblical or paranormal before?  Because they give the same message, and come in through a similar process of changing lenses, or disidentification, as a God realization, so there might be aspects to this that you have not been privy to yet - same as me, I just haven't gotten quite there yet, but can intuit that there is a lot more.  Or "nothing", but a deeper understanding of what that means.

I know it is all a dream, but my experiences were direct, like the same path to get to solipsism.  Go through death, let go, be in the moment and appreciate, and it becomes a unifying Love field.  And just... Now.  And done.  Now.  And done.  Now.  And done.

And from there, comes in paranormal.  I "now and done" until the world becomes even more complex.  It's just... very hard for me to combine your experience and mine, when I know in my deepest heart that there are souls.  I felt my "family" guiding me.

I will ask again these questions while I am experiencing them and see what I can learn from you then because the mind will be open in a way that can really "download" a lot of new ways of understanding the world that are completely alien as of this point.  Thanks for the reply.

[Ineedanswers]

@Leo Gura tldr below

Leo in your recent blog video you said that ,as god you realized how you were creating yourself and all other things (ie-your bluetooth device,the waves emitted from it and the physics behind).

If thats the case,why cant you solve all the scientists most pressing problems?do you know 

1)how measurements collapse quantum wave functions?

2)why is there more matter than antimatter?

3)what exactly is dark matter?

4)what happens inside a blackhole?

5)do naked singularities exist? If so how?

6)can you solve the schrodinger equation in a spherically symmetric potential?

If you could attain god consiousness and understand how you created the bluetooth waves. You should also be able to explain why some particles violate the charge parity symmetry right?

And also why cant you predict the future? God is all omnipotent and allknowing right? Cant you 1)attain god realization again 2)see into the future 3)and come back and accurately predict some events? (Ie-the next president of america or the score in a football game or something?)

Is there a reason why you cant do these things? If you could noone(sam harris ,curt jaimungal,professor dave) will have any doubts you(and i and all humans) are god right?

Edit-(I understand why you cant perform miracles like healing,turning water into wine etc.you cant do them because once you attain god consiousness  you are completely selfless and have no need or desire to perform miracles.and once you come back to normal human consiousness you no longer have those abilities). But i dont see why you cant attain god consiousness,see into the future and come back into human consiousness and make accurate predictions or solve pressing scienece concerns.)

Then you wont have to waste time on doubters.no one will be able to doubt the validity of your claims

Tldr-as someone who has attained consiousness.why dont you have all the answers to all  science questions? Science is a story you invented as god invented right?(the bigbang,evolution,natural selection etc). Then why dont you know everything about the scientific story?

Edited February 20, 2022 by Ineedanswers

[John Paul]

@Loba

God imagines awakening.

"First there was there word" or whatever the fuck the bible says

Every word has meaning.

God (you) says what words mean. Without God there is no meaning. Without meaning well..... Awakening is a word.

Awakening is the word that I would currently define (I can change this whenever I want, because I'm god)  as realizing that all meaning is created including the meaning of "I" being "your" individual body rather than the "body" of the infinite universe which is what you truly are in the moments that you let go of "you" as an individual body in space and expand to your true self. That's all awakening is but it's almost impossible to stay there when you live in society because God lies to itself and speaks to you as a liar which is very tricky in moments when "you" are talking to yourself as "another body".

[SgtPepper]

@Leo Gura

Is there a pattern of behavior when God is awake?

or in other words: What does someone do or look like when they are God-realized?

[Matthew85]

17 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Similarly, you've never taken a psychedelic or done a day of meditation, you merely imagine you have.

Leo, have you explored ways to circumvent these long chains of causation we imagine to explain our current experience? There could potentially be an even more direct route. 

I have been experimenting with deliberately adopting different states. It has provided some interesting results. Every state seems to have inherent beliefs and corresponding experiences. It's fun to play with. 

Edited February 20, 2022 by Matthew85

[Cepzeu]

@Ineedanswers

1 hour ago, Ineedanswers said:

@Leo Gura tldr below

Leo in your recent blog video you said that ,as god you realized how you were creating yourself and all other things (ie-your bluetooth device,the waves emitted from it and the physics behind).

If thats the case,why cant you solve all the scientists most pressing problems?do you know 

1)how measurements collapse quantum wave functions?

2)why is there more matter than antimatter?

3)what exactly is dark matter?

4)what happens inside a blackhole?

5)do naked singularities exist? If so how?

6)can you solve the schrodinger equation in a spherically symmetric potential?

If you could attain god consiousness and understand how you created the bluetooth waves. You should also be able to explain why some particles violate the charge parity symmetry right?

And also why cant you predict the future? God is all omnipotent and allknowing right? Cant you 1)attain god realization again 2)see into the future 3)and come back and accurately predict some events? (Ie-the next president of america or the score in a football game or something?)

Is there a reason why you cant do these things? If you could noone(sam harris ,curt jaimungal,professor dave) will have any doubts you(and i and all humans) are god right?

Edit-(I understand why you cant perform miracles like healing,turning water into wine etc.you cant do them because once you attain god consiousness  you are completely selfless and have no need or desire to perform miracles.and once you come back to normal human consiousness you no longer have those abilities). But i dont see why you cant attain god consiousness,see into the future and come back into human consiousness and make accurate predictions or solve pressing scienece concerns.)

Then you wont have to waste time on doubters.no one will be able to doubt the validity of your claims

Tldr-as someone who has attained consiousness.why dont you have all the answers to all  science questions? Science is a story you invented as god invented right?(the bigbang,evolution,natural selection etc). Then why dont you know everything about the scientific story?

This is a misrepresentation of what god-realization achieves. 

All of those things you mentioned are conceptual illusions that your mind spins. God realization is recognizing that you create all of these concepts. Measurements do not exists. Science does not exists. Future and past do not exist. Black holes do not exist.

You have not awoken yet to the reality of concepts in the now.

 

Here is an exercise. Point to the problem you are describing. Use your finger and point to the problem you are talking about above in the now. Recognize that all of those things do not exist as "things". They exist as conceptual constructs. 

 

 It's easy to see how the future is a conceptual constructs in the now. But can you stomach recognizing that your birth is a conceptual constructs in the now, and never happened. When you say it happened in the past, recognize that the past is a conceptual construct.

Then stay awake for a whole night, from sunset to sunrise and recognize that the lines between today and tomorrow don't exist. Or better yet, take a psychedelic and realize time does not exist as anything other than a mental concept.

You have NEVER left the present moment. You have never left the now. You literally created a conceptual world in which you live, but you are asleep to the fact that you created it. At deeper levels of consciousness you recognize your creation of even "physical" things.

You grossly misinterpret what the teachings are pointing to. I am not saying this to shame you, I'm merely making a statement so that you do not get lost in the wrong interpretation.

You can't predict the future because there is no future. Reality is here, now, forever. You never leave NOW. So how can you expect to get to the future.

This requires a 180 degree change in your point of view. You do not travel through time as a person. You are God, Now and "stuff" is changing around you. You interpret that time has passed but this is not the case. The now has simply changed. Stay awake from sunset to sunrise and realize that you never went from yesterday into today, you were always in the now and all that happened is that some numbers changed on a screen or on a clock -in the now. Numbers are changing on the clock IN THE NOW. Time is a social, conceptual construct.

 

[Ineedanswers]

@Cepzeu thanks for the answer. Can you answer some more questions for me if you dont mind? I know i asked many questions so please feel free to ignore.but i would really appreciate it you could only answer my last final question(question 4)

 

1 hour ago, Cepzeu said:

All of those things you mentioned are conceptual illusions that your mind spins. God realization is recognizing that you create all of these concepts.

If i created these concepts,is there a reason why i cant gain indepth knowledge about these concepts?is all that happens when i gain god realization that i realize that i dreamt up the big bang and evolution and my birth and physical laws ,without gaining any indepth knowledge about these laws,my birth process(how exactly the gametes formed,which genes coded for what  etc?

 

My intuition tells me that if i was really god i would know all the details about this dream and all the concepts in it. 

Ie-even though this is a dream,since im the one who dreamt it up,my intuition tells me that i should know

how all the physical laws work,

what the last universal common ancestor of archea ,bacteria and eukaryota ?

since we only know what 20% of the proteins in our body do,what exactly is the biological role of the other proteins in our body?

I understand that these our all concepts that ive created to make this dream seem more real and to ground my sense of identity.

But if i can realize im god and that im willing things(human bodies and proteins) into existence.why cant i gain indepth knowledge about the things(ie-how exactly do proteins fold?what is the mechanism /folding code?)ive willed into existence?

Btw can you clarify what you mean by?

1 hour ago, Cepzeu said:

All of those things you mentioned are conceptual illusions that your mind spins

1)Are all scientific theories,laws conceptual illusions?

Is there a difference between someone believing in creationism and that allah/jehovah created the universe/solar system and someone who believes in the big bang and starts congealing,forming planets,evolution etc?is one true and the other false or?

Are some conceptual illusions more true than others?do some conceptual illusions describe the dream more accurately than others?

3)when scientists and theologans try to find the origin of the universe. Whats really going on is that

-god is dreaming that he is a scientist/theologan 

-and that theologan/scientist(who god has dreamt he is) is now trying to find out who created the dream or how the dream was formed?

4)if someone asks you how life originated what would you say?

Would you say you as god dreamt the whole thing up? 

 

Edited February 20, 2022 by Ineedanswers

[Cepzeu]

@Ineedanswers Sure thing.

You can gain depth of knowledge in the same way as you can draw a bigger map as you explore some new territory. But God realization is realizing the territory is real and the map is a concept, not drawing a bigger and bigger map. If you want to do science then you can. If you want God realization, you will have to realise that you will not get there though concepts. You can study and investigate science for infinity, but you will never get to truth through it. No matter how long you spend thinking about molecules then atoms then quarks then strings the space-time etc. It won't change the fact that those are all illusions. You can make your life easier by discovering new technology and advancing science, but that is different to realizing what's true. Inventing penicillin allows more people to survive bacterial infections. It does not change that fact that people, infections, etc are all an illusion.

To answer your further questions:

1) yes. They are all illusions. As is everything. How can e=mc2 not be an illusory concept. Theories by definition are conceptual models. I can theorize that the sun will rise tomorrow. What will actually happen is unknown. The point of god realization is differentiating what you think about something, with what it actually is. Look at your hand. Now realise that what you are looking at is not a hand. Hand is a conceptual framework you overlay over reality, such that when you see the thing that you see, you think hand. But it is not a hand. It is something that words cannot communicate because all language is dualistic. The best descriptor is "it is what IT IS" but that sounds silly until you actually LOOK and realise that what it IS is not what you THINK it is. Stop thinking, and look.

2. There is no difference. The scientist is just as deluded as the theologian. You have never seen a big bang, or a planet formed, or a black hole, or a DNA molecule, etc. You have been told these concepts from a young age and you blindly believed them, just how a religious kid got told about Adam and eve and believed that story to be true. You hand is not made of skin and bone and atoms. It is made of consciousness. It is as clear as day yet you will not be able to see it. You are a fish swimming in water and you can't see the water, because it is all there is. That is the pickle you are in.

Again, do not confuse the ability of science to create things that help your survival, with what is actually true. Science is no truer than religion, despite the fact that with science we can make an iphone etc. It is a "better"/more accurate map of this dream, but is cannot make you see the dream as a dream.

3. They are just building the dream with more concepts. They are making the map prettier and bigger. You are God, you are the only thing that exists. You are the dream. Everything is dream-stuff. It is ALL an illusion. Including this.

3 hours ago, Ineedanswers said:

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[Leo Gura]

4 hours ago, Ineedanswers said:

If thats the case,why cant you solve all the scientists most pressing problems?do you know 

1)how measurements collapse quantum wave functions?

2)why is there more matter than antimatter?

3)what exactly is dark matter?

4)what happens inside a blackhole?

5)do naked singularities exist? If so how?

6)can you solve the schrodinger equation in a spherically symmetric potential?

If you could attain god consiousness and understand how you created the bluetooth waves. You should also be able to explain why some particles violate the charge parity symmetry right?

And also why cant you predict the future? God is all omnipotent and allknowing right? Cant you 1)attain god realization again 2)see into the future 3)and come back and accurately predict some events? (Ie-the next president of america or the score in a football game or something?)

Is there a reason why you cant do these things? If you could noone(sam harris ,curt jaimungal,professor dave) will have any doubts you(and i and all humans) are god right?

Because it's all pure bullshit and irrelevant.

You just invented Sam Harris and science. It's all a joke. Trying to figure out nature is the dumbest thing ever. It will never ever work.

Awakening answers all your questions by drowning you in eternal consciousness.

The only anser is: OH MY GOD!

4 hours ago, Ineedanswers said:

Tldr-as someone who has attained consiousness.why dont you have all the answers to all  science questions? Science is a story you invented as god invented right?(the bigbang,evolution,natural selection etc). Then why dont you know everything about the scientific story?

It's like asking why don't you know all the answers to the Star Wars universe? Where did the mediclorians come from? Who was Jabba the Hut's mother? Where did Tatooine come from? How many women did Han Solo have sex with and how many times did he jerk off in his life? How does The Force work? How many millimeters is Yoda's dick?

It doesn't matter! You are God dreaming that shit!

3 hours ago, SgtPepper said:

@Leo Gura

Is there a pattern of behavior when God is awake?

or in other words: What does someone do or look like when they are God-realized?

No pattern. You can go shoot up heroin and have sex with hookers, or whatever. Makes no difference. Do whatever you want. But there will be consequences.

[Blackhawk]

@Leo Gura I have a easy yes or no question for you: are you conscious? Yes/no? Honestly.

(I'm genuinely trying to learn. I'm not playing games.)

Edited February 20, 2022 by Blackhawk

[John Paul]

@Blackhawk

you are not conscious. you ARE conscious.