NYT: Biden says the U.S. believes Putin has decided to invade Ukraine.

[Blackhawk]

22 minutes ago, Fleetinglife said:

Ukraine is a flawed democracy even by Democratic Index and European standards. It is one of the most corrupt and poorest countries in Europe by GDP per capita. It's incestuous current political elite bans and silences opposition candidates that disagree on or oppose it's Ukranianization policies, banning and disinsentivizing the Russian langague as one of the official languages of the country, revision of controversial Ukrainian nationalist historical figures and events in the countries history, interpretation and reinterpretation of historical events and a complete breakaway and wiping away of it's Soviet past and traditions and baning Communist Party of Ukraine candidates to run in any of the national elections of the country. 

Yes, I never said that it's a perfect democracy.

[PurpleTree]

4 hours ago, Blackhawk said:

 

Um, nothing?

well then what do you expect us to do? 

1 hour ago, Blackhawk said:

Yes, I never said that it's a perfect democracy.

and by population it's only the 7 or 8th biggest in europe

[Blackhawk]

6 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

well then what do you expect us to do? 

Nothing. Is it wrong to think that something is interesting? Did I say that I demand something from the forum users? No I did not.

8 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

and by population it's only the 7 or 8th biggest in europe

Did I say that it is the most populated democracy in Europe? No I did not.

[Fleetinglife]

Putin issued and approved a Presidential decree in Moscow for the recognition of Donestsk and Luhansk People's Republics as independent states on the claimed Ukranian sovereign territory and mostly recognised international borders, however even if those states there in Eastern Ukraine operated as independent administrations from the Ukrainian state from 2014 up until this point the problem with their recognition is the territorial claim they purport to have as previously short lived independent republics well into the Ukranian territory, if they were maybe recognised and granted more autonomy and independence as autonomous regions within Ukraine via Minsk Agreements then fine it could have been perhaps worked out peacefully and with negotiations with the Ukranian state, but to claim they are independent states poses a problem since their territorial reaches claim goes well into the sovereign territory of the Ukrainian state and perhaps poses an invite and a pretext for Russian troops to military assist them and invade Ukraine in the East in the territorial reaches they claim belongs to those republics historically or currently politically wise. In other words it seems the unfortunate triumph of ethnopolitics over multi-ethnic, multi-national democratic republics. 

BTW Thanks to @Knowledge Hoarder for sharing this few weeks old prognostic analysis by Binkov Military Analysis Channel, since this seems unfortunately the most likely scenario now of the course of events happening, it seems hard to imagine now that the Russian military will stand idly by if the pro-Russian separatist and rebel leadership demands and ask for assistance in the military push through and the establishment of their sovereignity in contested Ukranian territory they claim historical and political territorial reach to. 

 

 

Edited February 21, 2022 by Fleetinglife