I don’t understand Leo’s recent blog joke on logic

[r0ckyreed]

I totally agree with the cartoon png of how (I am paraphrasing here) “the world would be better if people relied more on logic than their feelings.”

https://www.actualized.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/logical.png
 

I think people need to use more critical thinking and contemplate.

I am not for sure what the png is implying. It sounds like Leo was trying to point out how the logic person was contradicting themselves, and they were going based off their feelings. I think I get it. I mean everything is based off of feelings. Logic is never devoid of feelings, but what makes logic more effective is that logic is able to think beyond emotional reactions and be more conscious in decision-making.
 

My take is that the logical person has those feelings towards people who are being illogical, which I think are valid. By illogical, I mean people who don’t self-reflect and think critically about life. I mean this seems obvious to me that all of mankind’s problems stem from lack of critical thinking and not able to put their emotions in check. If society was logical, then racism, sexism, scandals, and all other bias and bullshit would cease to exist. 
 

What really is bias other than one letting their emotions cloud their judgment? 
 

If everyone contemplated for one hour a day on how they are full of shit, then humanity would make the most progress ever before. Stories of Jesus and Buddha will become laughable and racism, sexism, etc. would all become a distant dreams by the progress of everyone living a contemplative lifestyle. Of course, that will never happen.

Edited February 14, 2022 by r0ckyreed

[Kksd74628]

@r0ckyreed

That joke was actually pretty good . Also it is even funnier that you analyzed joke which only 2 meanings that it had were to make you laugh and see how easy it is to make an error. Most logical conclusion that you could have is to allow yourself to use feelings if that is the most rational thing to do. If we would stop making problems from nothing, problems would cease to exist.

 

[Ulax]

I think his post was about the circularity of science/ logic, and how science & logic can't prove themselves.

I'd look into the epistemic regress arguments on wikipedia. Logically, racism & sexism aren't right/ wrong because logically it cannot be said that anything is true or untrue. Its hard to actually communicate what I'm trying to because every sentence requires an assumption of truth lol.

Basically, take anything you think is true, and what is the justification for it being true? Then ask what the justification for that justification being a valid justification is, and dig until you find a base justification. And, if you don't find one, well, then that certainly changes things

[Kksd74628]

@Ulax

Definition of prove is to have external source that validates truth of the claim. Then that next source needs to be validated based on the logic. A needs prove B that needs prove C which needs prove D and so on till it references to itself and becomes circular or continues infinitely.

Only way out of that is that A proves it's own existence in some point. Direct experience is the prove for it itself and we don't need any unnecessary thinking and actually that would just make things more complicated.

Edited February 14, 2022 by Kksd74628

[Michal__]

People who put rationality strictly above anything that seems emotional do so because they're emotional.

[r0ckyreed]

9 hours ago, Ulax said:

Logically, racism & sexism aren't right/ wrong because logically it cannot be said that anything is true or untrue. Its hard to actually communicate what I'm trying to because every sentence requires an assumption of truth lol.

Right. However, racism is based on emotions and not logic. If people relied more on logic, rationality, and contemplation, the idiocy of racism will be seen through. 
 

Yes logic and emotions will always be tied together. It makes a logical person smh when they see so many people being zombies who don’t think or question anything. A logical person is not separate from their illogical fools who run society and make its laws. But that is my perspective on that.

9 hours ago, Ulax said:

 

I think his post was about the circularity of science/ logic, and how science & logic can't prove themselves.

 

 

Yeah that makes sense. I do see the limits of logic because it is a linear way of thinking, but I still think it is a step up from belief and emotional reactions. Intuition seems like a trans-rational mode that we have, but i think intuition can be easily confused with confirmation bias for those who don’t know how to discern between the two.

 

9 hours ago, Michal__ said:

People who put rationality strictly above anything that seems emotional do so because they're emotional.

Right and people who put their beliefs and emotions above logic and truth also do so from emotions as well. We cannot escape emotions no matter what a logical person says and nor would I want to be devoid of emotions. Logic to me is what helps us keep our emotions in check so that way they have less of a control over us.

Thanks for your all’s responses! I think this makes much more sense now. So many ways to perceive something lol.