An Immunologist predicts that a vaccine-resistant variant will happen by spring 2022

[Hardkill]

I just read this article and according to this medical expert, "Dr. Mark Dybul, a professor at Georgetown University Medical Center’s Department of Medicine and immunologist, told Fortune that he expects to see a vaccine-resistant variant by spring 2022 — at least based on trends for the virus from the last two years.

'The faster we get boosted, the better off we’ll be for the next couple of months,' he said. 'Sadly, every prediction I’ve made has pretty much come true. I hope I’m wrong this time, but I think by March, April, May, we will have a fully vaccine-resistant variant.' 

'There’s simply no way you can have such low rates of vaccination around the world with the virus ping-ponging between vaccinated and unvaccinated people.' 

'I’m an immunologist. The probability of us seeing a vaccine-resistant strain is very high.'"

https://www.deseret.com/coronavirus/2022/1/26/22894930/dr-fauci-worst-case-scenario-2022-new-covid-variant

 

This really worries me again. 

[Preety_India]

Aren't all variants pretty much vaccine resistant? 

Almost every vaccinated person around me got this thing. The virus is very non discriminating. Kinda out of the world. 

 

[Johnny Galt]

https://www.weforum.org/people/mark-r-dybul

[Preety_India]

There is no need to worry anymore. It will die down and flatten the curve. In fact it's already happening. Time to celebrate. 

@Johnny Galt I don't know why you mentioned that. 

[Preety_India]

21 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

I just read this article and according to this medical expert, "Dr. Mark Dybul, a professor at Georgetown University Medical Center’s Department of Medicine and immunologist, told Fortune that he expects to see a vaccine-resistant variant by spring 2022 — at least based on trends for the virus from the last two years.

'The faster we get boosted, the better off we’ll be for the next couple of months,' he said. 'Sadly, every prediction I’ve made has pretty much come true. I hope I’m wrong this time, but I think by March, April, May, we will have a fully vaccine-resistant variant.' 

'There’s simply no way you can have such low rates of vaccination around the world with the virus ping-ponging between vaccinated and unvaccinated people.' 

'I’m an immunologist. The probability of us seeing a vaccine-resistant strain is very high.'"

https://www.deseret.com/coronavirus/2022/1/26/22894930/dr-fauci-worst-case-scenario-2022-new-covid-variant

 

This really worries me again. 

Omicron is a vaccine resistant variant. Because even vaccinated people got it and showed similar symptoms. However it was/is much less severe than original Covid. 

It's better to have vaccine resistant variants because these are much less severe and cause little harm. So you have nothing to worry about. 

 

[Johnny Galt]

Anyone affiliated with the WEF, I would be wary of what they push. I would take a closer look at the WEF and their agendas. It comes with a smile and yet...

https://rumble.com/vtra0h-it-comes-with-a-smile-part-1-long.html?mref=7ju1&mrefc=5

Edited February 13, 2022 by Johnny Galt

[vladorion]

The vaccination rate doesn't matter at this point because everybody's already got it.

[Hardkill]

4 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

Aren't all variants pretty much vaccine resistant? 

Almost every vaccinated person around me got this thing. The virus is very non discriminating. Kinda out of the world. 

No, Alpha, is not at all resistant to immunity developed by vaccines, particularly if one is fully vaccinated.

Beta and Gamma are a little bit resistant to immunity developed by vaccines, but in most situations neither of those variants will cause any degree of infection as long as one or enough people are fully vaccinated.

Delta is resistant to immunity developed by vaccines full vaccination, but is not able to resist immunity developed from both full vaccination AND booster shot. However, even if you are partially vaccinated but not boosted then you likely are not going to die or go to the ICU or perhaps not even be hospitalized from being infected by this variant. If you are actually fully vaccinated but not boosted, then you are extremely unlikely to die or get hospitalized at all from being infected by this variant unless you have a genetic disorder that makes an immunocompromised individual and/or you are 65 years old or older.

Omicron is the only variant so far that is PARTIALLY resistant to immunity developed by being both fully vaccinated and boosted. Yet, Omicron has turned out to be the least severe variant of them all and you will still be definitely much more protected from this variant both fully vaccinated and boosted. 

[Johnny Galt]

@Preety_India I meant to add you to my above post

[Hardkill]

14 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

It's better to have vaccine resistant variants because these are much less severe and cause little harm. So you have nothing to worry about. 

Not necessarily according to medical and scientific experts.

Fauci even said that "Though many people are hoping that omicron heralds the end of the pandemic, Fauci has cast doubt on the idea that omicron will act as Mother Nature’s version of a mass vaccination event, warning a new variant could emerge that evades the immunity provided by omicron."

Dr. James Lawler, an infectious disease expert at the University of Nebraska, says “I would be shocked if we don’t get another variant arising out of somewhere that has adequate immune escape and causes another epidemic wave. There’s no data that suggests strongly that the virus has exhausted all of its options to mutate and create new infectious variants.”

“The whole idea that viruses by definition always evolve to be less pathogenic and less severe — that’s the stuff of fairy tales,” Lawler said.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/11/covid-no-one-knows-when-the-pandemic-will-end-after-omicron-upended-most-hope.html

"WHO official Maria Van Kerkhove warned against theories that the virus will continue to mutate into milder strains that make people less sick than earlier variants. 'There is no guarantee of that. We hope that that is the case, but there is no guarantee of that and we can’t bank on it,' she said, noting that people should heed public safety measures in the meantime. What’s more, the next iteration of Covid may also evade vaccine protections even more, making the existing vaccines even less effective."

Edited February 13, 2022 by Hardkill

[Preety_India]

12 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

Not necessarily according to medical and scientific experts.

Fauci even said that "Though many people are hoping that omicron heralds the end of the pandemic, Fauci has cast doubt on the idea that omicron will act as Mother Nature’s version of a mass vaccination event, warning a new variant could emerge that evades the immunity provided by omicron."

Dr. James Lawler, an infectious disease expert at the University of Nebraska, says “I would be shocked if we don’t get another variant arising out of somewhere that has adequate immune escape and causes another epidemic wave. There’s no data that suggests strongly that the virus has exhausted all of its options to mutate and create new infectious variants.”

“The whole idea that viruses by definition always evolve to be less pathogenic and less severe — that’s the stuff of fairy tales,” Lawler said.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/11/covid-no-one-knows-when-the-pandemic-will-end-after-omicron-upended-most-hope.html

"WHO official Maria Van Kerkhove warned against theories that the virus will continue to mutate into milder strains that make people less sick than earlier variants. 'There is no guarantee of that. We hope that that is the case, but there is no guarantee of that and we can’t bank on it,' she said, noting that people should heed public safety measures in the meantime. What’s more, the next iteration of Covid may also evade vaccine protections even more, making the existing vaccines even less effective."

Ok

[Hardkill]

2 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

Ok

See what I saying? I feel Like I am really going to lose my mind.

[Preety_India]

53 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

See what I saying? I feel Like I am really going to lose my mind.

Well if there are many deaths, we will see lockdowns again. Other than deaths and lockdowns what else can happen? Fingers crossed. 

Losing your mind is not going to help the situation. Work on your immunity everyday. Take Vit C and Vit D. Eat lots of fruits and veggies. If you are not a vegan, eat fish at least once a week. 

Right now I'm suffering from Covid and the only thing that is helping me are juices. I tried different juices-mango, apple, orange, guava and lemon. 

So far guava and lemon (lemon juice is most effective ) and orange juice have proven to be effective in raising my immunity and dealing with the symptoms. 

 

Edited February 13, 2022 by Preety_India

[Hardkill]

41 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

Well if there are many deaths, we will see lockdowns again. Other than deaths and lockdowns what else can happen? Fingers crossed. 

Economies around the world cannot survive another round of lockdowns. It would even be disastrous politically for Biden and the Democrats if lockdowns happen again in America.

Also, it keeps getting more and more depressing when more people keep dying. So many of those deaths could've been easily prevented if many of those people had listened to the legit scientists and doctors,

Edited February 13, 2022 by Hardkill

[Preety_India]

1 minute ago, Hardkill said:

Economies around the world cannot survive another round of lockdowns. It would even be disastrous politically for Biden and the Democrats if lockdowns happen again in America.

 

Don't worry about Biden, just worry about your life right now and save up on hospital bills. Biden is not going to personally pay your hospital bills. 

Read my edited post above again and start building your immunity so you don't need hospitalization and keep spare  paracetamol and ibuprofen with you so when you finally get whatever variant, you take the med to calm the symptoms, paracetamol for body ache and ibuprofen for inflammation and all your vitamins and juices. 

If you got money problems, live with your family or friend. 

 

[Hardkill]

27 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

Don't worry about Biden, just worry about your life right now and save up on hospital bills. Biden is not going to personally pay your hospital bills. 

Read my edited post above again and start building your immunity so you don't need hospitalization and keep spare  paracetamol and ibuprofen with you so when you finally get whatever variant, you take the med to calm the symptoms, paracetamol for body ache and ibuprofen for inflammation and all your vitamins and juices. 

If you got money problems, live with your family or friend. 

 

We don’t want Republicans to take control of the government again. 

I’ll look into those juices. 

Btw, are you recovering at all?

 

[Preety_India]

Just now, Hardkill said:

We don’t want Republicans to take control of the government again. 

I’ll look into those juices. 

Btw, are you recovering at all?

 

I have almost recovered, otherwise I wouldn't be on this forum. 

 

[Hardkill]

24 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

I have almost recovered, otherwise I wouldn't be on this forum. 

 

Oh, I am glad you are. 

I think you should still get vaccinated and then boosted after recovering from this virus. Though I think you have to wait for about a few months after getting over the infection before your body is ready to handle being vaccinated.

[vladorion]

1 hour ago, Hardkill said:

Oh, I am glad you are. 

I think you should still get vaccinated and then boosted after recovering from this virus. Though I think you have to wait for about a few months after getting over the infection before your body is ready to handle being vaccinated.

There's no reason she should get vaccinated since she's already a few times better protected than those who got vaccinated.

[Tangerinedream]

Well it seems like they are resistant anyway, every boosted person I know has been really sick with Covid.  Vaccine doesn’t work for everyone, it’s a gamble.  Then there are people who didn’t catch it at all when they were around people who had it.  For example my brother didn’t catch it when his wife and kids got it and he didn’t isolate from them. 
I didn’t catch it yet but I think that comes down to me not really mixing with people I don’t know, mostly it’s just me and my boyfriend doing stuff together like getting food or going to the cinema. No parties. No alcohol so immunity is stronger. At work I wear a mask all day.  It seems like everyone with kids is catching it, and people who party/socialise are catching it.  In Germany all the boosted people are getting it because they are the ones who can do what they want without getting tested.  Unvaccinated people aren’t allowed to go anywhere since October last year so they aren’t the ones spreading.  and if you are only double vaxxed you need a negative test if you want to go in a social place.  Boosted people are the ones spreading it here. 

Edited February 13, 2022 by Tangerinedream