Simply explaining my idea of spirituality using philosophical jargon :)

[Carl-Richard]

Monism

- reality consists of fundamentally one substance.

 

Ontological Idealism

- this substance is mental, not physical.

- reality is experience, and everything you experience is fundamentally that; experience.

 

Pantheism

- this one substance is God.

- God is not separate from the world or yourself.

 

Mysticism

- you can experience God directly, independent of beliefs.

- you can experience what Jesus experienced, what Buddha experienced, Muhammad PBUH, Hindu mystics, Christian mystics etc.

[Inliytened1]

@Carl-Richard beautifully put.

[Preety_India]

psychicism - God experiences You. 

 

[PurpleTree]

nice 

 

but why do you write peace be upon him after mohammad and not after the others, jesus and buddha etc.? just wondering

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, PurpleTree said:

nice 

 

but why do you write peace be upon him after mohammad and not after the others, jesus and buddha etc.? just wondering

@Carl-RichardAnd don't forget Moses and the Jewish mystics

 

[Gregory1]

I am God. I am Heaven. I am Love.

End of the story.

[Inliytened1]

6 minutes ago, Gregory1 said:

I am God. I am Heaven. I am Love.

End of the story.

Have some fun with the story...there is powerful mysticism with the ancient enlightened beings, even if you are all of them and imagining them all...btw..I've read your experiences of God but have you truly become conscious that you are the Divine in an awakening?

[Gregory1]

 

10 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Have some fun with the story...there is powerful mysticism with the ancient enlightened beings, even if you are all of them and imagining them all...btw..I've read your experiences of God but have you truly become conscious that you are the Divine in an awakening?

Divine never "awakens." Divinity is simply true, here right now, all there is and all there ever will be.

And yes I obviously have become conscious of this.

https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/75467-god-is-so-fucking-big-it-terrifies-me/

Edited February 12, 2022 by Gregory1

[Inliytened1]

4 minutes ago, Gregory1 said:

 

Divine never "awakens." Divinity is simply true, here right now, all there is and all there ever will be.

And yes I obviously have become conscious of this.

Thats false.  The Divine puts itself to sleep precisely to experience the Love of Realizing itself "again".  Of course there is no again it is always the present moment.  But that is precisely what allows God to realize itself forever 

[Gregory1]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Thats false.  The Divine puts itself to sleep precisely to experience the Love of Realizing itself "again".  Of course there is no again it is always the present moment.  But that is precisely what allows God to realize itself forever 

Divinity only *apparently* puts itself to sleep. Actually divinity never slept and never will sleep. It apparently veils itself and once the illusion is seen through it's clear that its always, everpresent, perfectly awake and will forever be. All IS Love, All IS God, forever. (Although what I just wrote is obviously just a "story" and not of any value unless it motivates you to realize these things directly for yourself).

[Inliytened1]

Just now, Gregory1 said:

Divinity only *apparently* puts itself to sleep. Actually divinity never slept and never will sleep. It apparently veils itself and once the illusion is seen through it's clear that its always, everpresent, perfectly awake and will forever be. All IS Love, All IS God, forever. (Although what I just wrote is obviously just a "story" and not of any value unless it motivates you to realize these things directly for yourself).

Appearance is all there is.

[Gregory1]

5 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Appearance is all there is.

Obviously. Although in a sense, divinity is *prior to* what humans normally call experience.

Edited February 12, 2022 by Gregory1

[Inliytened1]

34 minutes ago, Gregory1 said:

Obviously. Although in a sense, divinity is *prior to* what humans normally call experience.

What is before you is all that there is.  So if you are not conscious that you are God, you are not God.  There's no "prior to you still are God" ..that's something your imagining right now about the Absolute.  This must be Total otherwise reality could not be what it is.

[Gregory1]

19 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

So if you are not conscious that you are God, you are not God. 

Wrong. I am God. Although right now I apparently am *a human being*

[Yarco]

Why do you choose pantheism instead of panentheism?

Personally I think the universe is wholly contained within God, but God is larger than just the universe. So I choose the latter.

Maybe it's just a matter of semantics about what the universe is. I have to think that other universes exist outside of our universe. Unless the universe is defined as containing infinite smaller universes. But I guess I'd just define the "ultimate universe" containing all other universes as God. Or at the very least, I don't know if I'd include things that exist outside of our physical 3 dimensions as part of the universe.

Edited February 12, 2022 by Yarco

[Adamq8]

I would say that Moses, Jesus etc, was not panentheists, you can deepen your "understanding " and experience of God infinitley, because he so transcends the world , but also immanent.

Its monotheism but also trinitarianism.

What would you say is more plausible?

What is the strongest argument for/against for both worldviews in your view?

[Carl-Richard]

8 hours ago, Judy2 said:

@Carl-Richard Beautiful. I was just wondering about this being mental. Cause I've had an awakenig where it was clear that this is all Infinite Mind. However, there is some projection going into that, right? What is Mind, after all, what is God, what is anything really? What is Beauty, what is Perfection....?

We're taking dualistic concepts that make sense for the individual, and we project them onto that which cannot be described. That which simply is, in which all names and concepts and ideas appear.

In other words, Being doesn't know what it is.

But then in a way it makes sense to say this is Infinity, this is Everything, this is God, this is Mind, this is Absolute Perfection, this is Love. Because it is?lovely.

Well yeah

Ok, here's some backstory to why I wrote this (and hopefully an answer to your thoughts):

I'm taking a class in psychology of religion, and in the first class we had to divide ourselves into four groups (1. spiritual and religious, 2. spiritual and non-religious, 3. non-spiritual and religious, and 4. non-spiritual and non-religious) and then talk about why we chose that group. I felt I didn't explain myself well enough, so I wondered if I could find a way to explain myself as concisely as possible using a suitable reference point for that target group, or at least something they're vague familiar with, which I thought would be Western philosophy.

Anyways, I say this because we always have to concede to various degrees of dualistic assumptions while communicating, like that there exists other people, that other people can understand you, that you have different beliefs, and that the interesting discussions are about figuring out the disagreements. For example, you would mainly bring up ontological idealism because it could be a relevant point of disagreement (as most people are ontological materialists), rather than some innocent statement like "I'm a human." These would be examples of pragmatic assumptions.

An example of a more abstract assumption (on the level of ontology), is how the idealist has to concede to the language that falls out of the materialist's dualistic assumption, namely that matter produces a substance called mind, and then express their disagreement within that framework: "well, since you created the distinction between mind and matter, I think the best way to describe my position would be that there exists nothing but mind." However, if everybody were idealists, you wouldn't necessarily have to use that language. If everybody assumes that experience is the ontological primitive of reality, then "mental", "mind" or "psychic" just becomes synonymous with "reality." 

[Carl-Richard]

2 hours ago, Yarco said:

Why do you choose pantheism instead of panentheism?

Because God is not separate from reality.

[Carl-Richard]

4 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

nice 

 

but why do you write peace be upon him after mohammad and not after the others, jesus and buddha etc.? just wondering

Because I felt like it. It's an Islamic custom to say Muhammad PBUH.

[Preety_India]

@Carl-Richard I've to say that I'm really enjoying your posts lately.