The price of spiritual retreats! 10k+

[Hello from Russia]

54 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

Sometimes such reviews are paid for and fake. 

You don't know these people personally. 

 

No, people in this niche are indeed very happy, for real. I've studied around 2-3k+ retreats across the whole world and I've never seen as many authentically happy people anywhere as in retreats space.

It just gives you so much.. like-minded spiritual inclined folk is also a huge factor. In our usual town days we are deprived of genuine human connection, and you get it there

Edited February 11, 2022 by Hello from Russia

[Preety_India]

9 minutes ago, Hello from Russia said:

No, people in this niche are indeed very happy, for real. I've studied around 2-3k+ retreats across the whole world and I've never seen as many authentically happy people anywhere as in retreats space.

It just gives you so much.. like-minded spiritual inclined folk is also a huge factor. In our usual town days we are deprived of genuine human connection, and you get it there

If I stay in a hotel in Hawaii for a week, I would be happy too. 

But only after burning a hole in my pocket. 

10k is a big joke. 

You can spend that kind of money in India for years (in cheap places) and enjoy much longer retreats. 

 

[Hello from Russia]

33 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

If I stay in a hotel in Hawaii for a week, I would be happy too. 

But only after burning a hole in my pocket. 

10k is a big joke. 

You can spend that kind of money in India for years (in cheap places) and enjoy much longer retreats. 

 

Most retreat places are around $100-150 per day, this one is on higher-end, of course

You for sure can be happy. It's more about degrees of happiness. I claim that people who do vacations on wellness/spiritual destinations  experience much higher degrees of happiness vs conventional tourism/vacation industry

Edited February 11, 2022 by Hello from Russia

[Preety_India]

Just now, Hello from Russia said:

Most retreat places are around $100-150 per day, this one is on higher-end, of course

You for sure can be happy. It's more about degrees of happiness. I claim that people who do vacations on wellness/spiritual destinations  experience much higher degrees of happiness vs conventional tourism/vacation industry

Any case both are quite expensive. Most retreats are expensive. 

[Hello from Russia]

5 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

Any case both are quite expensive. Most retreats are expensive. 

I find most retreats are very cheap, tbh, at least spiritual ones. A lot of them are free even.

Mostly because people have a lot of spiritual-religious ideas on how charging money is bad and just shy away from it. It is especially prevalent in asian countries and especially India from what I saw. So I understand your perspective as well, since seems like you grew up in this culture

I feel like in general spiritual retreats/teachers undercharge vs the value they provide/try to provide

Edited February 11, 2022 by Hello from Russia

[Preety_India]

Just now, Hello from Russia said:

I find most retreats are very cheap, tbh, at least spiritual ones. A lot of them are free even. Mostly because people have a lot of spiritual-religious ideas on how charging money is bad and just shy away from it. It is especially prevalent in asian countries and especially India from what I saw. So I understand your perspective as well, since you grew up in this culture

I feel like in general spiritual retreats/teachers undercharge vs the value they provide/try to provide

In India spirituality is like a business. Well I won't say it's that way everywhere in the country, there are some genuine spiritual gurus who might even offer a lot for free. 

Others charge a lot. 

Problem is it's a hot destination. So you'll see a lot of copycat gurus. They see the potential in this business. So they claim to be gurus but it's only for monetary reasons. 

With so many copycat gurus mushrooming all over, it's hard to differentiate between real and fake. 

The real ones don't care about money. Whereas the ones who are out to make a business, mimic the styles and structures of the real but charge excessive. 

You need to be a bit experienced in knowing what is really genuine. 

It's easy to end up losing a lot of money in this rabbit hole if you're a newbie. 

 

[Nahm]

4 hours ago, Thetruthseeker said:

I’m just shocked at how much these retreats can be.. some over 10k 

link here to some psychedelic retreats I was looking into 

https://www.behold-retreats.com/retreats

i understand there can be a lot of costs but surely this is extreme. 
And if one even did get profound insights most could only afford a few experiences 

You look online and psilocybin and Ayauasca you can buy for under £50.
 

so are these retreat prices genuine, or just a stage orange version of spirituality?  

The lens is orange. Later, it’s noticed we are literally making up money (what is made up is neither genuine or not, but thought makes it seem so). Allow the infinite abundance up in there. 

[PurpleTree]

i mean it's good for rich spiritual people if they want to spend that money

they can also buy 150k cars etc.

[Girzo]

It's no for the most of you guys, it's for the rich (richer) people.

Those retreats sell like fresh buns, big money. There are many websites that earn like 10-20k a month from just selling ads for those retreats. If the price seems exorbitant you are just not from the social class this is targeted for.

Psychedelic therapy if legalized would be just as pricey for many years, so people would still have to resort to black market or growing their own plants.

[Lyubov]

5 minutes ago, Girzo said:

It's no for the most of you guys, it's for the rich (richer) people.

Those retreats sell like fresh buns, big money. There are many websites that earn like 10-20k a month from just selling ads for those retreats. If the price seems exorbitant you are just not from the social class this is targeted for.

Psychedelic therapy if legalized would be just as pricey for many years, so people would still have to resort to black market or growing their own plants.

The thing is there is value in going to retreats like this. They provide a strong container for people with weak psychology and who don't know what the fuck they are doing. Hell, even half of the budget retreats don't even know what they are doing. Tons of people have left fucked up (often mentally but unfortunately sometimes physically) after going to some cowboy Ayahuasca retreat. The actual market value of professional safe Psychedelic therapy isn't really clear yet. It's in it's infancy and poorly overseen. In the meantime cowboy retreats and these rip off retreats will flourish. I wonder how much a solid 3 ceremony retreat would cost in 30 years from now with trained facilitators and therapists? I'd imagine it would still cost a solid 5-10 grand clinically speaking at least in the US if it isn't covered by insurance. Mental health services are very expensive. 

[flowboy]

I suspect that part of the value of a high-end retreat is in networking. But that's just a hypothesis.

[meadow]

I’d be happy to pay a premium to deeply connect  with like-minded people of similar or higher capacity. 
 

one good connection can shortcut years of hard work. 
 

Richer folks would easily pay that fee to ensure they’re not exposed to “normal” people too. 

[Girzo]

Yeah, but you can get an even better networking oppurtinity at cheaper cost and way more fun at a festival like Burning Man.

Festivals are the best. You can even make friends with retreats facilitators there, while on a retreat you would be having a seller-client kind of relationship.

[Preety_India]

10 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

i mean it's good for rich spiritual people if they want to spend that money

they can also buy 150k cars etc.

Wish it was cheaper. 

 

[Loba]

I wish I could go, but that's way outside of my budget.  I'd make good use of it, though.
 

[Preety_India]

6 minutes ago, Loba said:

I wish I could go, but that's way outside of my budget.  I'd make good use of it, though.
 

You do have woods around you. 

[Loba]

@Preety_India We moved to the suburbs, but there are trees everywhere, I could do like a mini-retreat in the backyard during the summer months.
Still, it would be nice to be able to afford one of these things - I have a lot of questions that perhaps a group would have answers to, and if it were a psychedelic retreat then maybe the psychs would have the answers.

Maybe someday, it's something I might save up for at some point in the future.

[Preety_India]

@Loba you could tell your brother to build a small wooden cabin in there and put a bed in there so you could always relax there whenever you want. Plus you could also build a hammock just outside of it to get the outdoor air. That would make up an exciting little permanent retreat. 

 

[aurum]

19 hours ago, Thetruthseeker said:

so are these retreat prices genuine, or just a stage orange version of spirituality?  

There’s definitely some stage Orange mixing here with spirituality. These luxury retreats are big business and undoubtably bring in a lot of rich western tourists.

Honestly though, if that’s what it takes for a stage Orange to people to experience the medicine, then who cares. Let them spend their money. Maybe it will actually help support the local economy in some of these poorer countries.

[Jodistrict]

That’s why I stay in Mexico.  I would never do a retreat at a center owned by Americans.  Americans are just interested in maximizing profit through mass marketing techniques.  They make everything extremely expensive and healing is not a priority.   My last Aya retreat cost $100.