HasanAbi - Hypocrite?

[Tim R]

What do you guys think about Hasan Piker aka HasanAbi? He just bought a Porsche Taycan (~$150K) and a year or so ago a $2.7M mansion, yet he claims to be a socialist and always rants about capitalism... Not sure if I can take him seriously anymore.. Not that I ever did but that just kinda takes the cake for me

[Lyubov]

I envy his wealth and ridiculous job of just screaming the most useless far left brain dead bullshit into a microphone for donos and subs from liberal arts students. He’s the personification of if a stupid cheetah print t-shirt with “eat the rich” printed on it could stream on twitch. He is also like 30 and dresses like a zoomer. Anything I say about him will come off like I’m a hater and he wouldn’t give a single shit about my opinion. He’s mildly amusing and entertaining for like 10 minutes, sure. But he’s basically Rush Limbaugh just for the left leaning tik tok generation. Kinda funny how people are never really THAT far removed from their parents. Dude is not green either, he’s more like stage orange ? grifting green ideals. He’s tricking liberal ideas out like a cheap hooker.

[Roy]

It was obvious he should have never been taken seriously from the start, he is a whiny grifter with low integrity. You don't need to be able to read people that well to see it. He was also groomed by TYT, which is basically the McDonald's of left wing discourse.

[Preety_India]

Yea absolute hypocrisy. Btw, much of their work is just for views and money. That should already be a sign. 

 

 

[hoodrow trillson]

he should be walking barefoot and living on the streets if he was a true socialist

[Fleetinglife]

I respect Hasan for, intentionally or unintentionally by accident with no detailed prior knowledge, bringing to wider attention and platforming some not well known, heard of, or obscure but very educational YT channels via his reaction streams, and for the ability since it's a live engagement for the chat to explain in detail more of the key things not explained or context is given about the information in the channel's videos and for also serving as a wider platform and big tent introduction into many not so well known leftist youtube creators or left-wingers across the world in general to a vast audience that follows him or people that tune in for time to time.

For example Boy Boy Aussie channel (with a creator of South Slav, Balkan descent ) did a live video infiltration expose of the inner culture, functioning and views held within the Arms Dealers Conferences in Australia and bringing to attention the war crimes, utter sadism, and sheer barbarism and cruelty perpetrated by Australian SAS members, which I prior to that video knew nothing about, during the Allied Coalition military presence and occupation on, even disabled Afghan civilians, in Afghanistan, and the extent of the revision, lessening and downplaying of those very serious barabaric war crimes and human rights abuses perpetrated by Australian military special forces servicemen within some of the top circles of the Australian government and weapons dealer culture - for example, one of those Australian SAS members by the name of Benjamin David Robinson has received one of the highest military decorations within the country the 'Victoria Cross' by the Australian government and is still a recipient of it while at the same time being responsible for the murder of a disabled, handicapped Afghan civilian and in visual display of horrendous barbarism, sadism and lack of human empathy making a photograph of himself drinking beer from the man's stolen prosthetic leg of the murdered Afghan civilian, while there were some other Australian SAS servicemen from the same detachment during that time in Aghanistan that did ''reenactments'' of the movie 300, and performed "Leonidas kicks" on questioned and interogated Afghan civlians or POWs from cliffs in Afghanistan, where some of them fell down to their deaths.

So it's a nice expose of this chilling and shady government stuff, that Hasan brought to attention by platforming such channels such as his in his reaction and introducing a large audience to still pressing issues of past war crimes such as this one:

Other than that I personally don't have time to watch Hasan's full lengthy reaction streams, I just took a look at a few of his cut snippets from some of his streams that I thought, saw, or found interesting, informative, and educational from here and there that nicely introduced me and greatly informed me on the state and functioning of some still going process of some stuff in the world still happening right now and that is allowed to fly not really greatly opposed, socially mobilized around, adequately questioned and criticized to a large extent, and to follow his large audience and follower base chat while doing it which's speed is personally ADHD inducing:

 

 

 

Edited February 5, 2022 by Fleetinglife

[Fleetinglife]

Also because he managed to facilitate a pretty wide media space, of how openly various left-wing ideas can be talked about and discussed open-mindedly and without any prejudices and prior assumptions attached to them and made them actually palpable to a very vast and seemingly mostly young audience, mainstreaming some of them to be more freely and acceptably discussed in the wider youth culture to some extent basically and creating a certain microcosm of culture around it, with a much wider reach than some cells where they were being discussed in the past.

Edited February 5, 2022 by Fleetinglife

[Leo Gura]

He's a celerity tho. What do you expect him to do with his money? Give it all away? That wouldn't be socialism but more like saintliness.

Him buying a Taycan is like you buying the cheapest car there is.

[Husseinisdoingfine]

30 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Give it all away? That wouldn't be socialism but more like saintliness.

There is actually nothing in Socialist theory against amassing wealth. Socialists are not concerned with how much money someone has, but rather how they obtained it.

As long as the wealth was not attained via exploitation of the working class through extracting the value they produce by owning the means of production, proper Socialists should have no issue with what Hassan Abi is doing.

[Scholar]

I honestly don't think the guy knows what socialism even is.

[Loba]

I've never heard of him, I don't have any opinion on what he does with his money/don't care.

[PurpleTree]

8 minutes ago, Loba said:

I've never heard of him, I don't have any opinion on what he does with his money/don't care.

that makes sense 

 

 

 

i also don't know too much about him, have seen a few clips with him

seems a bit grifter-ish but i'd like to hear his own views about the particular subject

[Ry4n]

Clearly not the smartest dude, but basically a genius compared to H3 at this point

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

As long as the wealth was not attained via exploitation of the working class through extracting the value they produce by owning the means of production, proper Socialists should have no issue with what Hassan Abi is doing.

There is a subtle point here which Hasan and socialists don't understand.

While Hasan may not be technically exploiting workers because he has no employees per se, the only reason he's able to make millions a year from Twitch and YT is because that's all part of the capitalist system which enables these giant tech platforms. And that system is built on wage slavery.

Twitch and YT are peak capitalism. But it allows a few of us creators to feel like we aren't part of the wage slavery system because we happen to sit at the top of the food chain.

In a truly egalitarian society (not socialism), Hasan would be not be making millions per year while the employees who moderate YT earn $10/hr.

But in practice even in a socialist system there will be celebrities who rake in millions and spend those millions on frivolous luxury goods. Socialism will not eliminate that.

There is no Twitch or YT without exploiting the working class.

[Husseinisdoingfine]

@Leo Gura Oh 100% agree.

The very computers that twitch streamers use was indeed created through exploitive means, the very mineral and recourses used to create these computers. They use these computers to run YouTube and Twitch, empires built on wage slavery. Only from this can they espouse anti-Capitalism.

It's a very twisted game.

[Leo Gura]

17 minutes ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

@Leo Gura Oh 100% agree.

The very computers that twitch streamers use was indeed created through exploitive means, the very mineral and recourses used to create these computers. They use these computers to run YouTube and Twitch, empires built on wage slavery. Only from this can they espouse anti-Capitalism.

It's a very twisted game.

That has always been the core problem with socialism: is that it only exists atop capitalism.

Right-wingers make this point as a critique from below. But this point can be made as a critique of socialism from above. Socialism doesn't actually work to generate the material goods and services we all love and use. So the fundamental hypocrisy of Hasan is that he enjoys material goods and services that would not be possible to create if socialism were enacted today. And he is in denial about this point. He would argue that socialism can generate the same goods and services and more humanely. But I would counter that the inhumanity of capitalism is exactly what is necessary to create those goods and services. At least at this point in social evolution. It doesn't always have to be that way.

You cannot buy a McDonalds burger for $1 unless it is generated via capitalism. If society was truly egalitarian that same burger would cost you $100. Which is precisely why we don't have socialism.

[Preety_India]

40 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

That has always been the core problem with socialism: is that it only exists atop capitalism.

Right-wingers make this point as a critique from below. But this point can be made as a critique of socialism from above. Socialism doesn't actually work to generate the material goods and services we all love and use. So the fundamental hypocrisy of Hasan is that he enjoys material goods and services that would not be possible to create if socialism were enacted today. And he is in denial about this point. He would argue that socialism can generate the same goods and services and more humanely. But I would counter that the inhumanity of capitalism is exactly what is necessary to create those goods and services. At least at this point in social evolution. It doesn't always have to be that way.

You cannot buy a McDonalds burger for $1 unless it is generated via capitalism. If society was truly egalitarian that same burger would cost you $100. Which is precisely why we don't have socialism.

What is bad is that he shouldn't criticize capitalism if that's what is helping him make money. 

 

[Scholar]

7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

If society was truly egalitarian that same burger would cost you $100. Which is precisely why we don't have socialism.

If society was truly egalitarian those burgers wouldn't even be legal to sell or buy.

[Girzo]

If he was Yellow or something he would certainly have better uses for his money. Something like lending $500 bucks to some African farmer to buy a cow, tools, or a fridge. And to stream how that affects people's lives. That's a simualtion of effects of socialism, from everyone accordong to their means, to everyone according to their needs.

Or whatever, there are many ways to leverage your money to make the highest positive impact. At some point people see that being altruistic is a worthy pursuit in life, because they become dissillusioned with living the prestigious life as the way of sustaining happiness. (I mean people who are actively self-actualizing)

[Godhead]

14 hours ago, Tim R said:

He just bought a Porsche Taycan (~$150K) and a year or so ago a $2.7M mansion, yet he claims to be a socialist and always rants about capitalism

How much should a socialist house cost? There are mediocre apartments near the city I live that cost roughly that much. 2.7M$ It isn't super crazy if you consider the fact that it's a lifelong investment, I'm pretty sure he didn't pay it in cash either.  

Hasan def. isn't the most integrous person, he constantly contradicts himself, gets offended super easily, changes his viewpoints based on his emotional state etc., etc.  He's a political entertainer, but I believe that his heart is in the right place. 

As far as I'm concerned, buying an expensive house isn't in contradiction with the basic tenants of socialism. I'd literally do the same if I'd be making his kind of money and felt the need for a house. 

How would you spend your money if you had a salary of ~250k a month? 

Would you live in a 1-bed room apartment, drive an old used car, and donate everything? 

Or do you think he should discourage people from donating money / subscribing to a free service?