How will COVID ever become endemic with only approx. 70% of people fully vaccinated?

[Hardkill]

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/omicron-variant-coronavirus-news-02-03-22/index.html

According to this source, Our World in Data, which is considered to be one of top research and data organizations in the world on this matter, predicts that most countries around the world including the US will fall short of the WHO's goal of having every country around the world getting 70% of each of their populations fully vaccinated. 

So, if only about 70% of people throughout the entire world will be fully vaccinated and possibly boosted, then how the COVID pandemic ever become an endemic disease, when we will have enough people vaccinated to stop the spread of this virus and stop the emergence of more future worrisome variants?

[vladorion]

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19latestinsights/antibodies

The presence of antibodies to COVID-19 suggests that a person has previously had the infection or been vaccinated. In the week beginning 3 January 2022, the percentage of adults that would have tested positive for antibodies is estimated to be:  

98.0% in England 

97.4% in Wales 

98.4% in Northern Ireland 

98.2% in Scotland

Most people who are unvaccinated have already gotten covid.

[Hardkill]

3 minutes ago, vladorion said:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19latestinsights/antibodies

The presence of antibodies to COVID-19 suggests that a person has previously had the infection or been vaccinated. In the week beginning 3 January 2022, the percentage of adults that would have tested positive for antibodies is estimated to be:  

98.0% in England 

97.4% in Wales 

98.4% in Northern Ireland 

98.2% in Scotland

Most people who are unvaccinated have already gotten covid.

Yeah, but that doesn't mean that can't ever get infected by COVID again. Also, the antibodies you get from having had COVID before don't last as long as you think.

Edited February 4, 2022 by Hardkill

[vladorion]

1 hour ago, Hardkill said:

Yeah, but that doesn't mean that can't ever get infected by COVID again. Also, the antibodies you get from having had COVID before don't last as long as you think.

Endemic doesn't mean never getting infected by covid.

The antibodies you get from having covid are better and longer lasting than ones from getting a vaccine.

[Hardkill]

5 minutes ago, vladorion said:

Endemic doesn't mean never getting infected by covid.

I know that, but how will COVID ever become endemic if about 1-2 billion people on this planet will never ever get vaccinated at all? 

 

8 minutes ago, vladorion said:

The antibodies you get from having covid are better and longer lasting than ones from getting a vaccine.

Who told you that?

[vladorion]

16 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

I know that, but how will COVID ever become endemic if about 1-2 billion people on this planet will never ever get vaccinated at all? 

What does it matter if they get vaccinated, since most people already have antibodies, either from getting a vaccine or getting covid?

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Who told you that?

https://www.clarkcountytoday.com/news/natural-immunity-gets-another-boost-from-two-new-u-s-studies/

"Last week, the CDC released data which demonstrated natural immunity was 2.8 times as effective in preventing hospitalization and 3.3 to 4.7 times as effective in preventing COVID infection compared with vaccination"

Dr. Makary and his colleagues at Johns Hopkins therefore did their own study. “We found that among 295 unvaccinated people who previously had COVID, antibodies were present in 99.9 percent of them up to nearly two years after infection. We also found that natural immunity developed from prior variants reduced the risk of infection with the Omicron variant,” he reports.

“We found that immunity was strong, nearly two years out from the infection,”he said. “So it is now settled science. Natural immunity is durable and effective for as long as the infection has been around.”

"The CDC found COVID-19 rates among the vaccinated with no previous infection were 6.2 times lower in California and 4.5 times lower in New York than among the unvaccinated with no previous infection.

However, among the unvaccinated with a previous infection, the COVID-19 rate was 29 times lower in California and 14.7 times lower in New York."

Links to more studies in the article.

[Yidaki]

18 hours ago, vladorion said:

What does it matter if they get vaccinated, since most people already have antibodies, either from getting a vaccine or getting covid?

https://www.clarkcountytoday.com/news/natural-immunity-gets-another-boost-from-two-new-u-s-studies/

"Last week, the CDC released data which demonstrated natural immunity was 2.8 times as effective in preventing hospitalization and 3.3 to 4.7 times as effective in preventing COVID infection compared with vaccination"

Dr. Makary and his colleagues at Johns Hopkins therefore did their own study. “We found that among 295 unvaccinated people who previously had COVID, antibodies were present in 99.9 percent of them up to nearly two years after infection. We also found that natural immunity developed from prior variants reduced the risk of infection with the Omicron variant,” he reports.

“We found that immunity was strong, nearly two years out from the infection,”he said. “So it is now settled science. Natural immunity is durable and effective for as long as the infection has been around.”

"The CDC found COVID-19 rates among the vaccinated with no previous infection were 6.2 times lower in California and 4.5 times lower in New York than among the unvaccinated with no previous infection.

However, among the unvaccinated with a previous infection, the COVID-19 rate was 29 times lower in California and 14.7 times lower in New York."

Links to more studies in the article.

Wow 

[Yarco]

What do you think endemic means? Why is a vaccine necessary for it to become endemic?

The common cold is endemic but there's no vaccine for it. The flu is endemic and we haven't had vaccines for it until recently. Chickenpox has always been endemic and we didn't get a vaccine until 1995.

Eventually everyone gets it and either recovers or dies, with or without vaccine. Then it's endemic.

Endemic just means we're never getting rid of it. It can be endemic and still mutate into new variants. It doesn't mean it has become stable. Nothing is stable, evolution is always happening.

Edited February 5, 2022 by Yarco

[cookiemonster]

At this point it's almost like a kind of vaccine religion. Stop worshipping vaccine corporations!

Remember: You are in the minority. Everyone else decided not to take the vaccine.

[Twenty]

How about those who got cancer? Are they many?