Corona booster shot negative experience.

[inFlow]

I got the 3rd "pfizer" shot as a booster and had negative outcomes. Mainly my heart had some kind of problems. As the day passed after the shot I felt ill like you should be after a flu-shot, but the whole time I had a very unpleasant feeling in my heart. Not pain-like, but just a feeling like something was wrong, very alien. The feeling went away about 6 hours after, but I noticed that my heart is way way weaker now. By going up the stairs my heart pulse goes way up. When I wake up in the morning it beats very heavily. It actually feels like I have health problems now, and it's almost like a near death situation to the point where I now I'm trying to do some cardio workouts to strengthen my heart, but a little cardio puts my pulse up to about 170-180 BPM which is like a intense workout.

A lot of my friends took the 3rd shot and reported no issues, but one friend reports the same issue, some bad feeling in the heart after the booster shot. Also I read a lot that it can effect your heart, but they say that it isn't linked to the booster shot, which to me is bullshit.

Im in no way an anti-vaxer, im pro medicine, but do take my report seriously and think about if you really wanna take the booster shot. If I knew what it would do for me I wouldn't have taken it.

I hope that it's just temporary and will go away if I keep doing cardio.

[Koeke]

How long do these symptoms last? If it lasts more than 3 days or so, that is quite unusual I believe. It's good you take it seriously.

[inFlow]

@Koeke  I took it on January 24th. and my heart still feels weak almost working over-time. I can just feel it beat hard in my chest every time. I've read that mRNA vaccines can cause "Myocarditis". People reported even having strokes after a few weeks of the vaccine, some report even deaths.

[Danioover9000]

@inFlow

8 minutes ago, inFlow said:

@Koeke  I took it on January 24th. and my heart still feels weak almost working over-time. I can just feel it beat hard in my chest every time. I've read that mRNA vaccines can cause "Myocarditis". People reported even having strokes after a few weeks of the vaccine, some report even deaths.

   I have had similar symptoms, irregular heart palpitations, on just my 2nd shot of Pfizer. Apparently it might be linked to the mRNA, as I never have had heart palpitations in the context of a flu shot. Luckily for me the symptoms have declined slightly over time but every other day it fluctuates. I had to stop my regular exercise routines and do lesser forms once per week.

[inFlow]

@Danioover9000 Has your heart recovered?

[Luca001]

I got those symptoms too with a non-mrna Covid vaccine (Johnson). I was worried too because I also passed out 2 minutes after I got the shot, now I'm really reluctant on getting a booster to be honest. The symptoms lasted for about 10 days.

[AuroraDream]

yep. people who have been reporting side effects have been getting demonized and censored. im sorry you have this. 

[inFlow]

@AuroraDream  Cause we sound like anti-vaxers and "it's all in our mind". While there are serious issues for some part of the population who get the vaccine. I mean when you feel it for your own self, the bad consequences you get, you no longer want to get vaxed.

Also it's interesting to think about what would happen to me if I did get the corona virus at it's 1st form, now that it's evolved to be milder, maybe I would get even worse health issues.

Edited February 4, 2022 by inFlow

[Leo Gura]

Myocarditis risks are higher from getting Covid unvaccinated vs the vaccine.

It's all relative. You have no idea what Covid might have done to you. This is why statistical studies are done in medicine.

You don't decide to take the vaccine in retrospect, you decide based on relative statistical risks. Even if the vaccine kills you, it was still the right choice to take it based on known data.

[Gili Trawangan]

I'm not going to take the booster. Had two doses of Astrazeneca and that'll do.

Everyone I know who's had Covid after getting two shots recovered quite easily from it. The risks are higher than the rewards at this point.

I'm sorry to hear about these issues, hope you guys recover completely.

[MrMog]

@Leo Gura Dude, i can't even take you serious at this point. You make a video about how the number one authorithy should be yourself, but still i should listen to some statistic instead of listening to my gut feeling, which tells me clearly, that i shouldn't get vaccinated!?

[Girzo]

30 minutes ago, MrMog said:

Dude, i can't even take you serious at this point. You make a video about how the number one authorithy should be yourself, but still i should listen to some statistic instead of listening to my gut feeling, which tells me clearly, that i shouldn't get vaccinated!?

Obviously  The "gut feeling" is a mother of all fuck-ups. Intuition is ought to be used in situations where scientific tools can't work, where they are being exhausted. Public health is not that. You don't make public health policies based on gut feeling.

The same goes for alt-medicine, most of it is more primitive or scams, compared to mainstream science. That doesn't mean the mainstream science doesn't have its fair share of fuck ups and scams. It's just a matter of a degree.

You can't even claim to understand society or business without data to prove your ideas, because maybe what you understand is your own small niche and not the world as a whole. That's why scientists who think about the nature of reality =/= mystics, because they lack that experience, data. Kind of a tangled argument, because the data in that case is your direct experience, but it's useful to make that distinction between direct experience and thinking. Your "gut feeling" is mind detached from reality, if you don't take the data into account. Obviously, you have to think if you can trust the data, apply some degree of skepticism, but too much skepticism is pathological

[MrMog]

@Girzo @Girzo @Girzo@Girzo

1 hour ago, Girzo said:

Obviously  The "gut feeling" is a mother of all fuck-ups. Intuition is ought to be used in situations where scientific tools can't work, where they are being exhausted. Public health is not that. You don't make public health policies based on gut feeling.

The same goes for alt-medicine, most of it is more primitive or scams, compared to mainstream science. That doesn't mean the mainstream science doesn't have its fair share of fuck ups and scams. It's just a matter of a degree.

You can't even claim to understand society or business without data to prove your ideas, because maybe what you understand is your own small niche and not the world as a whole. That's why scientists who think about the nature of reality =/= mystics, because they lack that experience, data. Kind of a tangled argument, because the data in that case is your direct experience, but it's useful to make that distinction between direct experience and thinking. Your "gut feeling" is mind detached from reality, if you don't take the data into account. Obviously, you have to think if you can trust the data, apply some degree of skepticism, but too much skepticism is pathological

I wouldn't even call it a "gut feeling" in this case. From the first time i ever heard about covid and the possibility of there being a vaccine, I was absolutly sure, that i never will get this "vaccine". It's more like a strong "knowing", than some "gut feeling". Something just felt always shady about it and i had the feeling of being manipulated right from the get go.

And i just had covid about 2 weeks ago. It was a mild flu for me...

Edited February 4, 2022 by MrMog
Forgot something

[Girzo]

@MrMog man, call it knowing or gut feeling, it has nothing to do with actual knowledge.

53 minutes ago, MrMog said:

And i just had covid about 2 weeks ago. It was a mild flu for me...

Not because it was a smart decision not to get vaccinated, but because covid has mutated and turned out to not be so dangerous afterall. It's called luck.

It's identical to a drunk driver arguing that he didn't kill anyone or cause an accident, so he was right to drive intoxicated. No he was not, and neither are people who were avoiding vaccine.

Right now when original and delta variants are almost not existent, you can evaluate if getting vaccine is still worth it, maybe not, but it was really worth it in the beginning. The same goes for closedown, first closedowns has been very strategic and very smart. MAybe they have got bumpy execution in some countries, but the idea of a closedowns itself is smart when faced with unknown threat.

[Danioover9000]

@Gili Trawangan

4 hours ago, Gili Trawangan said:

I'm not going to take the booster. Had two doses of Astrazeneca and that'll do.

Everyone I know who's had Covid after getting two shots recovered quite easily from it. The risks are higher than the rewards at this point.

I'm sorry to hear about these issues, hope you guys recover completely.

   I agree, a third booster is probably not necessary, for most people.

[Ora]

This group has done some good analysis on efficacy of the vaccine as reported in Pfizers own clinical study. https://www.canadiancovidcarealliance.org/media-resources/the-pfizer-inoculations-for-covid-19-more-harm-than-good/.

Remember there is no such thing as "mild" heart inflammation. If you have inflammation of the heart this is called a serious condition. If you have myocarditis the risk of serious health complicstions increases with each year

The cause if myocarditis is the spike proteins, named such because they have sharp spikes which rupture blood cells and form microclots. Any vaccine that forcibly innoculates your body with these spike proteins has a chance to develop microclotting. When you get the virus naturally the main infection is in the respiratory airways where the spike proteins do damage, but at times can spread to the brain and heart being in close proximity. The vaccine gets into your blood circulation which is why there have been side effects in the reproductive organs (in one study it caused 80% of woman in their 1st and 2nd trimester to have spontaneous abortions after taking the vaccine), liver, brain, heart and other tissues.

I would recommend finding a reputable proteolytic enzyme supplement with lumbrokinase or nattokinase. Not serrapeptase as that is more for joints and muscle. These enzymes will break up fibrin and micro clots in the body. I've recommended it to my friend who had sever angina pectoris flare ups after the Vax and she reported a severe decrease in instances.

[Ora]

55 minutes ago, Girzo said:

@MrMog man, call it knowing or gut feeling, it has nothing to do with actual knowledge.

Not because it was a smart decision not to get vaccinated, but because covid has mutated and turned out to not be so dangerous afterall. It's called luck.

It's identical to a drunk driver arguing that he didn't kill anyone or cause an accident, so he was right to drive intoxicated. No he was not, and neither are people who were avoiding vaccine.

Right now when original and delta variants are almost not existent, you can evaluate if getting vaccine is still worth it, maybe not, but it was really worth it in the beginning. The same goes for closedown, first closedowns has been very strategic and very smart. MAybe they have got bumpy execution in some countries, but the idea of a closedowns itself is smart when faced with unknown threat.

Here's a recent meta analyses on how effective lockdowns have been: https://sites.krieger.jhu.edu/iae/files/2022/01/A-Literature-Review-and-Meta-Analysis-of-the-Effects-of-Lockdowns-on-COVID-19-Mortality.pdf

Perhaps a better approach would've been to investigate treatment methods (hydroquinone and ivermectin which were suggested already in the beginning and now have many studies backing it) instead of relying on an untested vaccine.

I hear Israel the top vaccinated country and on their 4th booster has the most covid cases and deaths currently

Edited February 4, 2022 by Ora

[Girzo]

33 minutes ago, Ora said:

Here's a recent meta analyses on how effective lockdowns have been: https://sites.krieger.jhu.edu/iae/files/2022/01/A-Literature-Review-and-Meta-Analysis-of-the-Effects-of-Lockdowns-on-COVID-19-Mortality.pdf

I have read it till the point of which papers were included and which were excluded, and then felt stupid for a moment, because this paper is kind of stupid. First, it's written by three right-wing economists, second, it's NOT peer-reviewed, anyone can write such a paper, third there are no studies by public health scholars included, only by social scientists, mainly economists. You know what I call that? I call that bullshit.

46 minutes ago, Ora said:

This group has done some good analysis on efficacy of the vaccine as reported in Pfizers own clinical study. https://www.canadiancovidcarealliance.org/media-resources/the-pfizer-inoculations-for-covid-19-more-harm-than-good/.

Canadian truckers protest organizers? Doing a cost-benefit analysis of vaccines? I have nothing to say.

46 minutes ago, Ora said:

I hear Israel the top vaccinated country and on their 4th booster has the most covid cases and deaths currently

Simply not true, what do you mean by most covid cases and death? This sentence has no meaning. They are doing ok, and vaccines are clearly helping. They had a lot of the delta variant, in the beginning, so they are expected to have a little more mortality because the more dangerous version of the virus has spread there, but other countries have omicron, which is benign.

Maybe I am wrong and we will see a rise in mortality also in countries with omicron, but it doesn't seem so at the moment. I am not an expert, but it only proves that it was right to do lockdowns, because even if we are all predestined to fall sick to covid sometime in the future (I already have been and I am vaccinated), then it's way better to be sick with omicron than delta, and we would have been sick with the original or the delta if not for all the measures taken.

[Leo Gura]

7 hours ago, MrMog said:

@Leo Gura Dude, i can't even take you serious at this point. You make a video about how the number one authorithy should be yourself, but still i should listen to some statistic instead of listening to my gut feeling, which tells me clearly, that i shouldn't get vaccinated!?

Nuance!

You cannot just simplistically be your own authority when it comes to a novel virus which has unknown effects on you. I mean... you can. But it could kill you.

Science exists precisely for this reason. You can't personally test every dangerous thing based on your "gut feeling". Your gut feelings are often wrong and self-deceptive, as in this case. In this case your gut feeling has been distorted by years of vaccine fear-mongering and unscientific reporting of cases.

Your gut feeling can tell you that flying is dangerous so you drive inside. But the science shows that driving is more dangerous than flying. That's what is happening with these vaccines. The fear has been completely overblown by social media and people with delusional political agendas. But that does not mean there are zero risks. The risk is simply lower than Covid itself.

When your gut tells you "I have a bad feeling about this vaccine" your reason should kick in and say, "Wait a minute. I've been consuming vaccine fear-porn for 2 years and the science clearly shows that risks are higher for side-effects if I don't get vaccinated. Therefore my gut feeling is wrong here and I should get vaccinated even though I might not feel like it."

This is true intelligence.

8 hours ago, Gili Trawangan said:

I'm not going to take the booster. Had two doses of Astrazeneca and that'll do.

Everyone I know who's had Covid after getting two shots recovered quite easily from it. The risks are higher than the rewards at this point.

If you didn't have any serious side-effects from the first 2 doses, the risk of a 3rd dose is extremely low and certainly worth the reward.

[Danioover9000]

@Ora

3 hours ago, Ora said:

This group has done some good analysis on efficacy of the vaccine as reported in Pfizers own clinical study. https://www.canadiancovidcarealliance.org/media-resources/the-pfizer-inoculations-for-covid-19-more-harm-than-good/.

Remember there is no such thing as "mild" heart inflammation. If you have inflammation of the heart this is called a serious condition. If you have myocarditis the risk of serious health complicstions increases with each year

The cause if myocarditis is the spike proteins, named such because they have sharp spikes which rupture blood cells and form microclots. Any vaccine that forcibly innoculates your body with these spike proteins has a chance to develop microclotting. When you get the virus naturally the main infection is in the respiratory airways where the spike proteins do damage, but at times can spread to the brain and heart being in close proximity. The vaccine gets into your blood circulation which is why there have been side effects in the reproductive organs (in one study it caused 80% of woman in their 1st and 2nd trimester to have spontaneous abortions after taking the vaccine), liver, brain, heart and other tissues.

I would recommend finding a reputable proteolytic enzyme supplement with lumbrokinase or nattokinase. Not serrapeptase as that is more for joints and muscle. These enzymes will break up fibrin and micro clots in the body. I've recommended it to my friend who had sever angina pectoris flare ups after the Vax and she reported a severe decrease in instances.

      This is a good suggestion.