Insight: Keep your progress SECRET

[Mahyar]

It's not because you are trying to hide anything from anyone or you are trying to be evil. It's because, when you take the obligation to keep all your progress towards enlightenment Secret to yourself, you are actually preventing from developing the "Self-Describing Narrative". This is another way ego gets on the way of making any breakthroughs during your consciousness work (Meditation, Yoga, Psychedelics). Because it basically wants to prove the world how good it is progressing towards enlightenment and how superior it is to others, it keeps recording the journey and reframing it in a way that want to be nice and share advice with others. I've found it's BS! You don't need to share anything with anyone. Just keep it secret and be laser focused on enlightenment. This culture of secrecy is something that gets focused on exclusively, in mystery schools. Part of it is to prevent the knowledge from leaking and get in the hands of evil people, but another aspect of it is internal and is very helpful in your journey. 

So this means, this is going to be my last post that I am sharing any insight about my journey. However, I will still be contributing in bringing knowledge and wisdom as I do the self-actualization work.

[Koeke]

By keeping it a secret in this way you are effectively saying to yourself that you can have no integrity regarding this matter. You need to reflect on your progress every once in a while because how else do you know you are progressing? There is and isn't such a thing as spiritual progression. Talking to people is actually great for evaluating and reflecting on it. You find out a lot about what was inside you all along that you weren't aware of, you can talk about struggles you have and get feedback, someone else can see patterns of self-delusion you might not see, someone can be more knowledgeable about certain models of progression and apply it to you or teach you them. 

But you're right in the sense that you shouldn't obsess over it, you shouldn't talk to people that aren't interested in it or are prone to jealousy and competition and you need to stay humble.

 

Edited February 1, 2022 by Koeke

[BipolarGrowth]

Now why did you share this?

[Mahyar]

9 hours ago, BipolarGrowth said:

Now why did you share this?

It’s actually a very good question to ask. It’s a bit tricky and hard to explain. But when you meditate and your consciousness wants to expand, the sense of excitement that you get from the experiences, the similar feeling that you get excited to share your psychedelic trip and try to describe it, actually blocks you and then contracts the consciousness. It’s very subtle. The reason I’m sharing it ? … well if there is any other person suffering from the same thing that I’m suffering, can read this and benefit. Because it’s so subtle, you actually need to put this idea into experimentation and see how helpful it can be in practice. In theory it makes no sense. 

[Salvijus]

Sharing your progress can indeed be an ego game. To find validation and boost your self image as 'enlightened guy'. 

Even giving advice is often just a way to feel superior then others and feed the ego. (Very common phenomena on this forum, and I would include myself into this also.)

There is a way of giving advice and sharing your progress in a positive way tho.

Whenever your actions and words inspire awe, then it's just an ego game and self validation seeking. If your actions inspire gratitude in others. That means that action is pure and helpful. 

Amen. 

Edit. Now what I've just sayed was to inspire awe or gratitude? Probably a mixture of both imo. It takes a lot of maturity and purification and spiritual growth to give advice to people without trying to impress them with your knowledge and feed your ego. It's a rare quality of an authentic master imo.

Edited February 2, 2022 by Salvijus

[Mahyar]

1 hour ago, Salvijus said:

Sharing your progress can indeed be an ego game. To find validation and boost your self image as 'enlightened guy'. 

Even giving advice is often just a way to feel superior then others and feed the ego. (Very common phenomena on this forum, and I would include myself into this also.)

There is a way of giving advice and sharing your progress in a positive way tho.

Whenever your actions and words inspire awe, then it's just an ego game and self validation seeking. If your actions inspire gratitude in others. That means that action is pure and helpful. 

Amen. 

Edit. Now what I've just sayed was to inspire awe or gratitude? Probably a mixture of both imo. It takes a lot of maturity and purification and spiritual growth to give advice to people without trying to impress them with your knowledge and feed your ego. It's a rare quality of an authentic master imo.

Thank you, I think you put it in better wording than I could. That's exactly right. And I am becoming conscious of this game of ego and it somehow annoys myself. I do tho love to share some tips but it takes mastery, as you said, to find that fine line.

I have just started reading and posting in this forum and I am hoping that by engaging more, I can gain that level of mastery. Because I think it would be too rash to say no advice at all, while we know there are people who can indeed benefit from our advice. But mastering it is a whole new field. 

[Salvijus]

@Mahyar

 

[BipolarGrowth]

5 hours ago, Mahyar said:

In theory it makes no sense. 

These are the only things worth spending much time on ?

[roopepa]

Not to downplay your insight and ideas, I'm sure this is important to you personally, and it's great. But just to point something out... "process toward enlightenment", "spiritual journey", "ego's tricks" etc. are such narratives.

[softlyblossoming]

@Mahyar Thank you for sharing such a radical perspective openly with all of us on the forum. All I can say is that I wish I had the self-control for the path you suggest.

On 02/02/2022 at 7:24 AM, Mahyar said:

On 01/02/2022 at 10:05 PM, BipolarGrowth said:

Now why did you share this?

It’s actually a very good question to ask. It’s a bit tricky and hard to explain. But when you meditate and your consciousness wants to expand, the sense of excitement that you get from the experiences, the similar feeling that you get excited to share your psychedelic trip and try to describe it, actually blocks you and then contracts the consciousness. It’s very subtle. The reason I’m sharing it ? … well if there is any other person suffering from the same thing that I’m suffering, can read this and benefit. Because it’s so subtle, you actually need to put this idea into experimentation and see how helpful it can be in practice. In theory it makes no sense. 

On 02/02/2022 at 9:17 AM, Mahyar said:

On 02/02/2022 at 8:08 AM, Salvijus said:

Sharing your progress can indeed be an ego game. To find validation and boost your self image as 'enlightened guy'. 

Even giving advice is often just a way to feel superior then others and feed the ego. (Very common phenomena on this forum, and I would include myself into this also.)

There is a way of giving advice and sharing your progress in a positive way tho.

Whenever your actions and words inspire awe, then it's just an ego game and self validation seeking. If your actions inspire gratitude in others. That means that action is pure and helpful. 

Amen. 

Edit. Now what I've just sayed was to inspire awe or gratitude? Probably a mixture of both imo. It takes a lot of maturity and purification and spiritual growth to give advice to people without trying to impress them with your knowledge and feed your ego. It's a rare quality of an authentic master imo.

Thank you, I think you put it in better wording than I could. That's exactly right. And I am becoming conscious of this game of ego and it somehow annoys myself. I do tho love to share some tips but it takes mastery, as you said, to find that fine line.

I have just started reading and posting in this forum and I am hoping that by engaging more, I can gain that level of mastery. Because I think it would be too rash to say no advice at all, while we know there are people who can indeed benefit from our advice. But mastering it is a whole new field. 

@Mahyar @Salvijus I relate to what you all are saying so much. I want to stop talking out of my ass so much because it's so dangerous and unfortunate to give a bad piece of advice if someone runs with it.

 

On 02/02/2022 at 1:53 PM, roopepa said:

Not to downplay your insight and ideas, I'm sure this is important to you personally, and it's great. But just to point something out... "process toward enlightenment", "spiritual journey", "ego's tricks" etc. are such narratives.

 

@roopepa Owie owie stop that!!!

Edited February 4, 2022 by softlyblossoming
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