Why do you identify as nothing?

[WokeBloke]

I don't understand why you are identifying as a word that refers to a nonexistent impossibility. It can't exist because it refers to the absence of existence. It is quite literally the denial of existence.

In other words nothing is not present because it doesn't exist. This seems to contradict your presence. So I guess I don't understand why being is equated with nothing. 

There is not nothing because there is you. And you can't be nothing because then you wouldn't exist. And if you didn't exist then you wouldn't be able to read this. Yet you are reading this which proves that you exist.

In conclusion why identify as any concept or word? Whether it be awareness, consciousness, nothing, pure awareness, being etc. You are none of these. These are just identities you have created for yourself. Simply I am.

Edited January 31, 2022 by WokeBloke

[The0Self]

15 minutes ago, WokeBloke said:

In conclusion why identify as any concept or word? Whether it be awareness, consciousness, nothing, pure awareness, being etc. You are none of these. These are just identities you have created for yourself. Simply I am.

What you're describing here is that you aren't any thing in particular, you just are. Not any "thing" that is present. Just "I am" -- as in not any particular existent thing.

[RMQualtrough]

It exists.

[WokeBloke]

2 hours ago, RMQualtrough said:

It exists.

I don't understand how nothing could exist.

[WokeBloke]

3 hours ago, The0Self said:

What you're describing here is that you aren't any thing in particular, you just are. Not any "thing" that is present. Just "I am" -- as in not any particular existent thing.

If I am nothing then nothing says "I am". If nothing/no-one says "I am" then I am is never said.  But since I am is said it must be said by my being which I claim is nether something nor nothing.

Edited February 1, 2022 by WokeBloke

[BipolarGrowth]

Nothing is simpler than I am, but not if you have to say nothing. This work, in my opinion, is more about dis-identifying from everything, nothing, and anything in between or outside of that. This is not about creating an identity. It is about “deleting” identity while all functional programs operate themselves. And identity is one of those functional programs that keeps running on its own, but it’s not likely to happen until the “memory wipe” takes place. If you want more shmistical language, we can say that you are detaching from samskaras which lead there to be a strong felt sense of an individual “I” in order to actually have a deeper felt sense of the “I am” you are referring to. 
 

It looks like you’ve been asking questions which are more likely to lead you somewhere fruitful, so good job on the change unless I’m confusing you with someone else. 

Edited February 1, 2022 by BipolarGrowth

[Terell Kirby]

4 hours ago, WokeBloke said:

In conclusion why identify as any concept or word?

Because it is what one chooses to do.

See .. you as God can come up with any concept you want and assign whatever substance to it as you wish

You're all powerful, nothing stops you from doing what the fuck you want to do. Now enough mental masturbation.

Edited February 1, 2022 by Terell Kirby

[Nahm]

5 hours ago, WokeBloke said:

I don't understand why you are identifying as a word that refers to a nonexistent impossibility. It can't exist because it refers to the absence of existence. It is quite literally the denial of existence.In other words nothing is not present because it doesn't exist. This seems to contradict your presence. So I guess I don't understand why being is equated with nothing. 

Identity, denial, presence, etc aren’t nothing, they’re identity, denial, presence, etc. Nothing is really just nothing. 

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There is not nothing because there is you. And you can't be nothing because then you wouldn't exist.

Youtube Schrödinger’s cat. 

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And if you didn't exist then you wouldn't be able to read this. Yet you are reading this which proves that you exist.

And the double slit experiment. 

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In conclusion why identify as any concept or word? Whether it be awareness, consciousness, nothing, pure awareness, being etc. You are none of these. These are just identities you have created for yourself. Simply I am.

And if interested, assumption & projection. 

Also if interested, basic / beginning meditation. 

[WelcometoReality]

 

5 hours ago, WokeBloke said:

In other words nothing is not present because it doesn't exist. This seems to contradict your presence. So I guess I don't understand why being is equated with nothing. 

Being arises from non-being. So being is experienced and non-being is a non-experience.

 

5 hours ago, WokeBloke said:

In conclusion why identify as any concept or word? Whether it be awareness, consciousness, nothing, pure awareness, being etc. You are none of these. These are just identities you have created for yourself. Simply I am.

I am can also be identified with but yes I agree that it's good to be on the lookout for any identification.

[RMQualtrough]

3 hours ago, WokeBloke said:

I don't understand how nothing could exist.

I wrote this directly after a trip:

"Consciousness is behind "I", it feels like you are pulled back onto a park bench and everything that is happening is happening in front of where you are. Any thoughts or even emotions are happening in the landscape in front.

And what you are no longer has a name, because when you think of "I", that thought is one of the things taking place in front, it isn't you.

So even "I exist" or "I am scared" is something that when thought, takes place in front of you. Fear takes place in front of you. You are pulled back behind this. However far back you try to go you are pulled back behind that. There is nothing that you are not pulled back behind. All things are in front appearing to you but the you doesn't have a name. Because when you think of "you" or any word you are pulled behind it.

It is literally what you are, but you can't name it because you appear to it. It's like the you behind the you..."

When literally anything that can ever be conceived is just an appearance you are observing, that is when you know that the you observing the things is nothing. Yet you exist.

[Batman]

No, the assumption that Nothing is the absence of existence is false. Nothing is not the absence of anything, because it is not any thing at all. If it would, it would be a thing - a thing that is absent of anything, like space with no objects. But the nothing that is spoken of is not any thing at all, nor is it the absence of anything. It is nothing, undefinable, unknowable, undistinguishable, unspeakable, ineffable. It is Absolute and so cannot be distinct from anything that is relative. It is space-less space, or no-space space. It doesn't exist, because it is existence. There is no real distinction between Nothing and Everything, only in mind. Any thing that exist, exists as and within Nothing. Nothing has no quality, which is why it can manifest as everything. 

Identification is a process, so even identifying with Nothing will be another false method used by the imagined self to appropriate liberation to itself. Nothing does not need identification because it is already complete, perfect, free and whole as it is. Only when it manifest as a separate self, it seems to be not perfect, not complete, not free. But the separate identity, or the process of identifying and being bounded by mind, is exactly one of the ways that freedom, happiness, creativity, and wholeness manifests as. 

Nothing is a complete mystery and magic to the individual. The individual will never grasp Nothing, because it is already is Nothing, expressed as individual seeking for completeness or enlightenment.  

In other words, what is truly longed and yearned for is already what is. But the individual will continue to seek and long for some better experience or state until it is recognized that it is already that which it seeks. 

Edited February 1, 2022 by Batman