Tips for overcoming suffering

[Gesundheit2]

On 26/01/2022 at 7:15 PM, Breakingthewall said:

 right, the problem is that if you don't have desires you sink into shit...

You don't know that. At least, you don't know the limits to which you can drop desires until you reach that supposed state. For example, I bet Elon Musk probably thinks he will sink into shit if he decreases his desires and ambitions by 1%.

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If you know that suffering is imaginary it's bearable 

That's not as easy to say when you're actually suffering. State of consciousness matters a lot more than thinking a thought.

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Edit: but who knows, maybe the world is a stupidity and pure source of suffering and would be much better be a saint in a cave, as the xingxing ming poem says: make the slightest distinction between good and bad and heaven and earth are infinitely separated

Words do not do justice to true happiness.

[flowboy]

On 26/01/2022 at 11:07 AM, Someone here said:

Tips for overcoming suffering.
From personal experiences and understanding at this point in time.
From learning Buddhism and just following the spiritual path for a quite a while. Just wanted to share few concepts. If you can apply them in your life...you can save yourself a lot of otherwise "free" and unnecessary suffering.

Drop your expectations.
Of yourself and of the world. Stop thinking that the world is other then the way it should be. Remove this "should" from your vocabulary. It doesn't make any logical or illogical sense. The world is always exactly as it "should" be. Because it's unfolding from the start. Not a single atom moves randomly. It's all planned out. Like a script or a movie. Drop all your expectations. All of them. Strive to be okay with whatever is going on. Notice that whatever is happening is exactly what should happen. Stop resisting life. And the easiest way to embody is to quickly become conscious that everything is predestined. When you raise your hands and scratch your head.. That's predetermined. So is everything. So what are you complaining about?

You are not free because you aren't separate . you don't exist as an entity in and of itself disconnected from environment.
Let go of this nonsense that you are in control. You have absolutely zero control over your life(as a little ego) . The more you become conscious of that more suffering free you will become. You don't control jack shit. You don't control your thoughts.. your actions.. your breath your heart beat.. Your digestion. It's all been done for you. You don't even exist the way you think you are. . You don't control other people or other objects. The sun the moon the solar system the weather etc basically the whole universe including so called your body. It's one seamless inevitable flow Just let it flow. Get out of gods way ffs.

Don't seek happiness. See the more you seek the more you reinforce the illusion that something is lacking. What could be lacking in wholeness? What is lacking in perfection? Yet you always believe that something is wrong somewhere. Why you do that? Because that's what motivates you to take action. To accomplish. But it has been my experience as well as your experience that nothing can make you truly happy.

No attainment.. no accomplishment, no goal.. no matter how many hoops you jump through.. no matter how well you do in the rat race.. no mater what great product you buy.. or how shiny it is.. or how much better then the neighbor’s it is.. nothing’s going to fix that sense of inadequacy. Cause that sense of not being good enough, cannot be fixed by anything… I won’t even say anything ‘out there’.. I’ll just say any thing. It’s not a thing that’s being wanted; it’s not a thing that’s needed. It’s not a thing that can make you feel adequate.. good enough.. give you worth. Because this sense of worthlessness.. this idea that you are a me that’s not good enough… is not true. So since this lie is a lie.. you can’t solve it. The lie will persist. Nothing can bring down a lie because it can keep lying. It’s not reality. So you can stick something in the hole.. but the hole itself is not really there; it’s a lie. And the only way to be free of being the slave of this lie.. and having your entire life standing for jumping through hoops to try to sooth this sense of inadequacy.. the only way out of this rat race, is to stop telling the lie.. and admit the truth. That this person, this me, who doesn’t compare, who is not as good as he or she should be, is just an idea… is not even who you are… doesn’t even exist in reality. 

Excellent post.

I would like to make a distinction: the seeking of happiness from the seeking of God.

Seeking happiness comes from internal lack-beliefs, which can be healed.

But that does not mean that seeking in general should be avoided!

The seeking impulse can and should be trusted.

Separate inspiration-based from lack-based seeking.

Or you may well find yourself one of those people without inspiration.

Deadening themselves with misdirected acceptance.

[Breakingthewall]

12 hours ago, Gesundheit2 said:

You don't know that. At least, you don't know the limits to which you can drop desires until you reach that supposed state

@WelcometoReality @Gesundheit2 

true, you can become a monk for example. stop wishing, stop being an ego, stop influencing reality. others will help you survive. 

12 hours ago, Gesundheit2 said:

That's not as easy to say when you're actually suffering.

We suffer because we have desires, it is true. We want things to be different than they are, and that dissonance between what should be and what is ,is pure anxiety, suffering. what is and what should be must be equalized. but you can still wish. align your desire with what is. a complicated step, for me the true art is here, and not in stopping wishing and being a monk 

12 hours ago, Gesundheit2 said:

Words do not do justice to true happiness.

true happiness is what you are once freed from the constant anxiety of what should be. Of the learned desires that are swimming against the current. once you start swimming with the current, everything begins to become simple, fluid. but you still swim

Edited January 28, 2022 by Breakingthewall

[WelcometoReality]

13 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

@WelcometoReality @Gesundheit2 

true, you can become a monk for example. stop wishing, stop being an ego, stop influencing reality. others will help you survive. 

I still went to work during that time. You don't have to let your life fall completely apart. ?

 

[Someone here]

On 1/26/2022 at 3:41 PM, Gesundheit2 said:

@mandyjw Desire is a virus of the mind. Its existence is an indicator that something is not right, whether externally or internally. It's a tool of the devil.

You really haven't tasted true happiness until you've dropped all your desires. Counter-intuitive, but it is what it is.

Now, if you don't want maximum happiness, then sure, follow your desires and see where they lead you. I assure you that there is no comparison.

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