Balancing being good enough and being different to attract people?

[Thestarguitarist14]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

This is such a bad take I don't even know where to begin correcting it.

You clearly don't understand pickup.

There is no higher odds place to get laid than a nightclub. That's why they were invented. Private parties are great, but there's just not enough of them.

Dude, I have seen your videos, your idea of game is outdated as hell.  You clearly aren’t with the times.

Its 2022, we live in the most superficial time the world has ever seen.  Dating is dead, most people just hook up or if a guy lets a women they just invite them back into their place.  If you are going out on a Saturday to a night club every weekend as a pick up artist then you are doing something that is outdated.  You can still get laid this way but it is just playing the numbers game and you are also not dealing with the most quality women.

Men are better off networking and building a Wolf pack.  You will meet women along the way and you could actually get them because 1) They are not the focus anymore.  2) You probably have mutual friends so she won’t have her guards up.  And 3) You are creating a lifestyle that women want to be apart of.

Edited January 26, 2022 by Thestarguitarist14

[Terell Kirby]

29 minutes ago, Thestarguitarist14 said:

You clearly have no dating experience.

Lol .. to those who have real dating experience like myself .. it's obvious to us that you don't based on your comments here.

[Thestarguitarist14]

7 minutes ago, Terell Kirby said:

Lol .. to those who have real dating experience like myself .. it's obvious to us that you don't based on your comments here.

LOL, nah dude, nothing you have said suggest any real dating experience.  

But hey, what do I know?  I only did pick up for three years, two of which was in L.A.  

[something_else]

35 minutes ago, Thestarguitarist14 said:

Its 2022, we live in the most superficial time the world has ever seen.  Dating is dead, most people just hook up or if a guy lets a women they just invite them back into their place.  If you are going out on a Saturday to a night club every weekend as a pick up artist then you are doing something that is outdated.  You can still get laid this way but it is just playing the numbers game and you are also not dealing with the most quality women.

Men are better off networking and building a Wolf pack.  You will meet women along the way and you could actually get them because 1) They are not the focus anymore.  2) You probably have mutual friends so she won’t have her guards up.  And 3) You are creating a lifestyle that women want to be apart of.

If it still works, how is it outdated? Also, again, you are kinda contradicting yourself. You talk about how we live in the most superficial times yet you're suggesting that the most superficial venues that exist (clubs) are not good places to meet girls anymore. By your own logic they should be better than ever

The purpose of that kinda style of pickup is just to get you as much exposure to a lot of girls as possible. It's hard to build a lot of experience with girls if you're only talking to a few new ones every now and then as you go about your normal life

I think you are right in the 2nd paragraph, of course these are good things to do. But combining them with some clubbing and partying is not bad, I don't understand your dislike of that approach really

Edited January 26, 2022 by something_else

[Thestarguitarist14]

2 minutes ago, something_else said:

If it still works, how is it outdated? Also, again, you are kinda contradicting yourself. You talk about how we live in the most superficial times yet you're suggesting that the most superficial venues that exist (clubs) are not good places to meet girls anymore. By your own logic they should be better than ever

The purpose of that kinda style of pickup is just to get you as much exposure to a lot of girls as possible. It's hard to build a lot of experience with girls if you're only talking to a few new ones every now and then as you go about your normal life

I think you are right in the 2nd paragraph, of course these are good things to do. But combining them with some clubbing and partying is not bad, I don't understand your dislike of that approach really

It’s outdated because this style was from 2006.  It died in 2015.

I am not against going out to clubs.  But all I am saying is that from personal experience it’s not the best place to meet women.  Unless you just want to have one night stands, which hey, everyone goes threw that phase, I certainly did.  But you will get over it and crave more.

The problem is that guys put WAY too much focus on women as if this is the problem and it will solve they’re life.  When in reality their lifestyle is not attractive women and they themselves are not attractive to women and that is what needs to change.

[something_else]

Just now, Thestarguitarist14 said:

It’s outdated because this style was from 2006.  It died in 2015.

These are bizarrely specific years. Afaik 'pickup' as a style was a thing that started to gain traction in the 60s

If you're trying to tell me that the idea of guys going out to meet girls died in 2015 I don't really know what to tell you

As for the rest of your post I don't really disagree, all I'd say is that healthy pickup is more about unfucking up your social skills, learning to let go, have fun, let loose, get the stick out of your ass. Many guys are socially fucked up from years of time online and pickup is very effective at undoing that rapidly. Pickup and learning to socialise is part of that lifestyle change you talk about

 

[Thestarguitarist14]

40 minutes ago, something_else said:

These are bizarrely specific years. Afaik 'pickup' as a style was a thing that started to gain traction in the 60s

If you're trying to tell me that the idea of guys going out to meet girls died in 2015 I don't really know what to tell you

As for the rest of your post I don't really disagree, all I'd say is that healthy pickup is more about unfucking up your social skills, learning to let go, have fun, let loose, get the stick out of your ass. Many guys are socially fucked up from years of time online and pickup is very effective at undoing that rapidly. Pickup and learning to socialise is part of that lifestyle change you talk about

 

I feel like you are nit reading what I am saying on pick up being out dated.

Being a pick up artist in general is outdated.  It’s mainstream.  Everyone knows what it is.  Women aren’t stupid.

What I am suggesting is lifestyle game and building your network, which has way more  value than chasing women.  And like I said, you WILL met women along the way.  Also, clubs cost like $20 to get in and drinks are like $15.  You will waste so much money in clubs.  Go once in a while with your Wolfpack.
 

Guys seriously need to take women down a notch.

Edited January 26, 2022 by Thestarguitarist14

[Leo Gura]

5 hours ago, Thestarguitarist14 said:

If you are going out on a Saturday to a night club every weekend as a pick up artist then you are doing something that is outdated.  You can still get laid this way but it is just playing the numbers game and you are also not dealing with the most quality women

"Bro, flirting with women is so 2015." Lol

Please just close your mouth.

[Hello from Russia]

@Thestarguitarist14 lol, dude, you're thinking that it is some sort of a fad, but it is not

Meeting women directly whenever they are was always a good lead channel for mullenias

It's same with marketing and cold approach/email here. It was a viable marketing tactic for at least 5 thousand years.

Some things are just so fundamentally great and efficient it's super hard for them to die. Methodologies and outter circumstances change, sure. Things evolve, sure. Things become more conscious, sure. But they don't die as easy as you make them out to be

[Hardkill]

7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

This is such a bad take I don't even know where to begin correcting it.

You clearly don't understand pickup.

There is no higher odds place to get laid than a nightclub. That's why they were invented. Private parties are great, but there's just not enough of them.

Aren’t college campuses actually supposed to be the best places to meet girls and get laid?

[Thestarguitarist14]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

"Bro, flirting with women is so 2015." Lol

Please just close your mouth.

Classic Leo.  
 

11 minutes ago, Hello from Russia said:

@Thestarguitarist14 lol, dude, you're thinking that it is some sort of a fad, but it is not

Meeting women directly whenever they are was always a good lead channel for mullenias

It's same with marketing and cold approach/email here. It was a viable marketing tactic for at least 5 thousand years.

Some things are just so fundamentally great and efficient it's super hard for them to die. Methodologies and outter circumstances change, sure. Things evolve, sure. Things become more conscious, sure. But they don't die as easy as you make them out to be

I swear no one on this site can read.

Alright, go be a pick up artist for five years and see how happy you are.  Leo has been doing for years and he isn’t married or in a committed relationship.  There’s a reason for that too.

[Leo Gura]

Coaches who say that night game isn't good or effective have no idea what they're talking about. Night game is the most efficient way to get laid if you got a city with a good nightlife. It's also the most effective way to learn quickly.

[Leo Gura]

7 minutes ago, Thestarguitarist14 said:

Leo has been doing for years and he isn’t married or in a committed relationship.  There’s a reason for that too.

I haven't been doing it for years. I've only done game for about 2 years in total. I spent most of my time working on Actualized.org and my spirituality. I restarted game recently because I entered a new phase of my life.

I also spent years in a relationship. I have no problem with commitment. I don't cheat on my gf.

[Hardkill]

22 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Coaches who say that night game isn't good or effective have no idea what they're talking about. Night game is the most efficient way to get laid if you got a city with a good nightlife. It's also the most effective way to learn quickly.

Girls go to nightclubs often to try to get laid and they get horny from the loud music and drinking in the club, right?

So, does that mean that I would be able to easily get just about any girl there to make out and have sex with me if I just walked up to one and started off right away being explicitly sexual?

Edited January 26, 2022 by Hardkill

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

Girls go to nightclubs often to try to get laid and they get horny from the loud music and drinking in the club. So, does that mean that I would be able to easily get just about any girl in nightclub to be turned on by me if I just walked up to one and started off right away being explicitly sexual?

Go walk up to a girl in the nightclub, be sexually explicit, and see what happens.

It's easy to sit there behind your keyboard talking a big game. Go try it.

[Hardkill]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Go walk up to a girl in the nightclub, be sexually explicit, and see what happens.

It's easy to sit there behind your keyboard talking a big game. Go try it.

I am not saying that I am right.

I was just asking you if think that that could work. I remember you saying that you can get away with a lot more mistakes during night game than during day game.

[Leo Gura]

@Hardkill I explicitly told you to not be sexually explicit.

What you will learn is that girls will punish you for making them look slutty.

[Thestarguitarist14]

I want to say that I am not saying night game doesn’t work.  I still go out to bars and will go to night club once in a while.

BUT: What outcome do you want?  If you really just want to get laid, go ahead and go to the biggest city you can and party.  You will meet a ton of superficial women who don’t care about you and have body counts that will make you throw up.

I did pick up for three years, two in L.A.  Hollywood was my stomping grounds.  I had one night stands in the hallways of clubs, pulled model like women.  It’s fun, but it is so unfulfilling that it isn’t funny.  I remember in early November 2019 I hooked up with this tall, hot blonde woman.  I never felt more down after it was over.  And if you date women from the club then bless your heart.

The best thing for men to do goes with age.  18-29?  Don’t get into a serious relationship.  But don’t just be a pick up artist.  Go out and network.  Find men who are where you want to be and make a wolf pack.  Social proof is an amazing way to get women and you will not have to be a pick up artist when you roll into the club with four other men on their shit versus you going alone or with your wing which leads to playing the numbers game.

From 18-35 as men we have no leverage in dating.  You have to remember that night clubs are meant for women.  You will get laid if you go out to the club twice every weekend for a year.  But it will probably be like five times and truth be told, that is a good of time IMO.  You probably approached 500 women in the club and only had sex with five of them.  Even if you had sex with 100 out 500 (which is possible if you are willing to have no life) that’s not even 25%!  
 

Also, in today’s world, if you want a wife, you need to make enough money to retire.  Meaning you better be on your shirt, have a business or two by the time you are thirty five and employ your wife.  The other option is going 50/50 and well… the divorce rate speaks for itself.

So, if you are spending $100 plus a weekend at club (you’ll spend way more than) and you don’t make at least $120,000 a year then your priorities are out of whack.  You won’t make money chasing women, but you’ll get plenty of women making money.

In short: Pick up will get you laid, but it won’t lead you to your wife.  What will is making money, have a good network of men who are on their shit, and living a social life of abundance you’ll be way more attractive to the women they you meet be it day or night.

The guys who get the most women don’t cold approach.  They they meet women because of their lifestyle and don’t have to make a big effort to get laid.  All the while the rest of us are fighting for one night.

Basically, stop leaving the house looking for sex.

Edited January 26, 2022 by Thestarguitarist14

[Hardkill]

17 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@Hardkill I explicitly told you to not be sexually explicit.

What you will learn is that girls will punish you for making them look slutty.

Ok fine, I’ll try not to start off that way even in a nightclub (unless some random chick I just met right away starts getting freaky with me).

Btw, I never slut shame girls because I don’t ever judge any girl’s sexuality or sexual past.

[Hero0]

6 hours ago, Thestarguitarist14 said:

Being a pick up artist in general is outdated.  It’s mainstream.  Everyone knows what it is.  Women aren’t stupid.

What I am suggesting is lifestyle game and building your network, which has way more  value than chasing women.  And like I said, you WILL met women along the way.  Also, clubs cost like $20 to get in and drinks are like $15.  You will waste so much money in clubs.  Go once in a while with your Wolfpack.

not every one of us were born and raised in the same circumstances as you did, some of us are still struggling essentials

going out and feel emotions, get laid a few times and don't get stuck there, then get to your next chapter as you go through your procces of actualization.

it is not only about getting sex or making kids, is about you aquiring maturity and more chess pieces on your table