Lying With Statistics

[kieranperez]

 

[hyruga]

These aren't lies though. They are just worded in such a way to promote an agenda.

For example, a company may have pathetic sales of $100 in the first month and a better sale of $5300 in the second month. Then the company can say they have a healthy 50 times increase in sales in just 1 month!

You have to analyse and discern it.

[kieranperez]

@hyruga you're assuming lying is just something akin to you asking me whether or not I had breakfast and if I didn't and I just tell you I did. 

When you really experience what honesty is an experiential principle you'll discover honesty is not just presenting basic facts but rather about accurately conveying what's true. 

The examples listed in this video is using "facts" to present a dishonest a view of things so as manipulate one's motives for selfish person. In other words, it's still lying. If you want to get into the fine minutia about the "line" between deception and lying (which ultimately there isn't any real line between the two as they motivated by the same to perform the same function at the end of the day) then go ahead but it's an irrelevant one as far as I'm concerned. 

People use facts so as formulate and fabricate lies all the time my man. 

[hyruga]

No. It is not lying in the eyes of the law in almost any countries. The company will not be in trouble (most of the time) because everything is worded based on facts.

[kieranperez]

1 hour ago, hyruga said:

It is not lying in the eyes of the law in almost any countries. 

Yes and who you are is incongruent based on what you are defined as as a "legal entity" in the eyes of the law but that has nothing to do with the truth now does it? 

Lying is lying. 

1 hour ago, hyruga said:

The company will not be in trouble (most of the time)

If you actually watch the damn video and you are informed even to the slightest bit you will know companies do in fact get in trouble with this stuff. 

1 hour ago, hyruga said:

everything is worded based on facts.

You can find articles online that contain "facts" about crime rates for example in predominantly black neighborhoods in America but is presented in such a way to endorse a biased view that is geared towards inflaming a racial prejudice towards black people and black communities all the while leaving out bigger picture and honest perspectives and facts. Using "facts" and couching them in a POV, a perspective, whether it be in journalism or advertising (or both) to distort what's actually true is dishonest and manipulative. 

[kieranperez]

6 hours ago, hyruga said:

You have to analyse and discern it.

This a ridiculously stupid comment. How is a member supposed to be able to do that with everything they buy? You're able to find actual honest revenue numbers when it comes to the various service providers you utilize? That's just silly dude.