Trying to cater to the progressives was Biden's big mistake

[Hardkill]

You guys should read this article by this blogger named Ross Douthat, who explains in this op-ed for the New York Times, why Biden shouldn't have tried starting off going so big with his agenda and how his failure to enact almost all of the policies that progressives wanted him to do both with executive orders on his own and with legislation through Congress has been hurting his overall approval rating:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/15/opinion/sunday/joe-biden-presidency.html

When Biden ran in the 2020 presidential election, he campaigned as a moderate pro-establishment Democratic candidate who would focus on unifying the country and eliminating much of the chaos in our country. However, as soon as he took office, he started off his presidency by trying to be like FDR, LBJ, or a lot more like Bernie Sanders in order to appease the progressives. Yet, he has only had razor thin Democratic majorities in both the Senate and the House within Congress, which means that he was never going to be able to get a major amount of liberal legislation enacted through Congress like FDR and LBJ were able to during their times. Even Obama started out his presidency with much greater majorities in both the Senate and House than Biden did. Additionally, considering the fact that our country has become the most politically polarized it has ever been since the 19th century, that further has made it even harder for Biden to get even anything passed through Congress. 

His failure to get any progressive or any kind of major liberal legislation pass through Congress along with not having signed certain liberal executive orders that would cancel way more student debt than he already has, decriminalize marijuana, reverse more of Trump's bad immigration/border policies, etc. has already been making a lot of people in this country feel like he's not showing enough strength or political savviness. Biden probably should've just started off his presidency much more like Bill Clinton in the 90s did.

Let me know your thoughts down below.

Edited January 18, 2022 by Hardkill

[Leo Gura]

First of all, pretty much everything Biden tried to pass was moderate. Only in the loony world of conservatives is Biden's agenda radical. Be careful with how conservatives shift the Overton Window here. In many ways this is a frame battle.

Secondly, the problem is, Repubs would still not lets Biden pass anything meaningful even if he tried to be more moderate. Obama tried to appease Repubs and had pretty bad results with that. The problem with unreasonable and debased minds is that they cannot be appeased. And the Repubs have only gotten worse since Obama.

The simple reality is that Biden is a fairly moderate president but the state of decay of the right-wing has gotten so bad and yet their hold on power so strong that even that hardly flies.

Progressives make a big mistake when they expect Biden to do the impossible. Even if Bernie was president he still could not pass shit. The plain fact is that Dems don't have enough seats in Congress to get serious progressive agendas passed. And no amount of complaining or manipulating can overcome that.

But with all that said, it's actually good PR for Biden to be seen as fighting for serious progressive issues. When Republicans block it, that makes them look bad. Pretty much the only thing Biden and Dems can do is a PR campaign that shows the American people all the good stuff we could have gotten if Repubs were not dogmatic obstructionists.

PR-wise, Republicans need to be painted as obstructionists who are undermining effective government and who have no serious interest in governance.

Biden is governing pretty well. The problem is his power is very limited and he's not going to perform the miracles that progressives want. Solid governance is not flashy or exciting.

[Joel3102]

The above is a pretty interesting debate that just happened on this exact topic of Biden and whether he’s been pushing hard enough 

[Opo]

6 minutes ago, Joel3102 said:

The above is a pretty interesting debate that just happened on this exact topic of Biden and whether he’s been pushing hard enough 

I can't stomach Haz. 

Do you remember anything interesting from it? 

[BlueOak]

If its time to admit you have a Left Party, a Center Party and Right Party yes.

Otherwise you'll just keep shifting toward Right/Center and eventually split the party. Looking in, its already there tbh. 

*BTW if you had a centrist party in america, it'd probably be the most popular at the moment.

Edited January 18, 2022 by BlueOak

[Joel3102]

17 minutes ago, Opo said:

I can't stomach Haz. 

Do you remember anything interesting from it? 

Yeah he’s something else…. He thought that if Trump promoted green energy the maga people would fall in line, which is silly since they don’t even listen to him on the vaccine.

this one is peak Haz….

[Opo]

13 minutes ago, Joel3102 said:

 

this one is peak Haz….

Watched the beginning and I can't wait for politics people to start fighting. 

Recently Sam hyde challenged Hassan to a fight for a million dollar reward and I don't think he responded. But it's just a matter of time before something crazy like that happens after all the success of Logan Paul. 

[Leo Gura]

Destiny has a very solid head on his shoulders.

[Hardkill]

9 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Destiny has a very solid head on his shoulders.

He does sound very sensible.

Do you think that Democrats will be able to one day shift the Overton window more in their favor?

[Windappreciator]

17 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Destiny has a very solid head on his shoulders.

its hindered by no drive for ethics

[Opo]

48 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

Do you think that Democrats will be able to one day shift the Overton window more in their favor?

Young people like Bernie. 

It's just a matter of time before they become a majority. 

49 minutes ago, Windappreciator said:

its hindered by no drive for ethics

What do you mean? 

[Windappreciator]

3 hours ago, Opo said:

 

What do you mean? 

i mean destiny has no ethics, he is using implications solely for his comfort.

it just happens to be best for him in a more liberal life style

Edited January 18, 2022 by Windappreciator

[Opo]

19 minutes ago, Windappreciator said:

i mean destiny has no ethics, he is using implications solely for his comfort.

What a fool. 

Unlike him we were born with our morals. 

He should call us purebloods and listen to our commands. That's the only way his child can be pure. 

[Windappreciator]

6 minutes ago, Opo said:

What a fool. 

Unlike him we were born with our morals. 

He should call us purebloods and listen to our commands. That's the only way his child can be pure. 

oh-kay

hopefully you lose some of that insanity

Edited January 18, 2022 by Windappreciator

[Opo]

1 hour ago, Windappreciator said:

hopefully you lose some of that insanity

Nah

[Windappreciator]

2 minutes ago, Opo said:

Nah

soon soon

[Windappreciator]

@Opo you believe you have a right to be a mod on this forum?

- competitive hierarchical approach somehow doesn't produce emotional contradictive intersection with liberal values ( probably just by being raised in that atmospehre or being surrounded by it? ), aah just the freedom of liberalism that allows you to express it, better, you believe. so its a tool

-directed pain distribution instead of wide spread, because of inability and weakness, otherwise who knows

- strong ability to disregard, obvious, otherwise this existence is not justified

what are you looking for in people? just lunacy as a disguise of healthy opposition?

Edited January 18, 2022 by Windappreciator

[Opo]

30 minutes ago, Windappreciator said:

@Opo you believe you have a right to be a mod on this forum?

You're not my mom. 

[Windappreciator]

3 minutes ago, Opo said:

You're not my mom. 

how is your mom?

[Opo]

18 minutes ago, Windappreciator said:

how is your mom?