Are atoms 99% empty space?

[Thought Art]

Seems some people say atoms are mostly empty space while others say that atoms are made of particles and fields… is a field not empty space? 
 

How are we defining these things

[OBEler]

How about 100% empty space

[Thought Art]

@OBEler see that makes more sense to me ahah

but there’s layers to this shiiiii

[Federico del pueblo]

10 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

Seems some people say atoms are mostly empty space while others say that atoms are made of particles and fields… is a field not empty space? 
 

How are we defining these things

I'm wondering similar things too.

In my understanding a field doesn't consist of anything "material" and what they say is that a particle just appears (and disappears) out of nowhere.

Though if the particle appears out of "nowhere" what is it made out of?

[Space Lizard]

Why does it matter?

[OBEler]

@Knowledge Hoarder dont say that, I heard from people seing molecules in air on lsd.

[Carl-Richard]

Just now, OBEler said:

@Knowledge Hoarder dont say that, I heard from people seing molecules in air on lsd.

Did they also see saw dust particles and vapor droplets? You would see those long before singular molecules.

[Carl-Richard]

The fields you're talking about are just ways to conceptualize force interactions (e.g. the electromagnetic field and the gravitational field). Forget about those. Also, you make it seem like atoms consisting of subatomic particles means they cannot be 99.999% space. Nobody says that.

An atom is a nucleus orbited by electrons. Considering the radius of the electron cloud and the radius of the nucleus and how the electron cloud is mostly empty space, you probably get more than 99.999% empty space. However, Quantum Mechanics tells you that empty space can spontaneously produce particles at any moment, so the dichotomy between matter and empty space is only a probabilistic one.

[undeather]

1 hour ago, Thought Art said:

Seems some people say atoms are mostly empty space while others say that atoms are made of particles and fields… is a field not empty space? 
 

How are we defining these things

1) An atom is a helpful abstraction we use to describe material phenomena 
2) Any concept wording like "empty" or "field" will misslead you - they are concepts based on interactions
3) Mathematics is the language to understand what an atom "looks" like
4) Atoms aren't "mostly empty space," they are mostly the wave function of the electron
5) The best descriptions are based on quatum mechanics
6) Quantum mechancis is poorly understood at an ontological level and our best theories include the creation of a universe every single moment (many worlds) or relational turtles all the way to "nothingness" (Caro Rovellis Loop Qunatum gravity)

If you talk about relative truth topics, keep yourself to the scientists who actually study the phenomena itself

Edited January 11, 2022 by undeather

[B222]

https://youtu.be/aXuTt7c3Jkg

This documentary goes deep

[OBEler]

@Carl-Richard

Go to 2:10  there lies the answer

[Carl-Richard]

@OBEler Lol

[Consept]

1 hour ago, Space Lizard said:

Why does it matter?

There is no matter

[PurpleTree]

i've seen an atom once

it was mostly made of cake matter and it mattered

[B222]

“The universe is vibration… but there’s nothing being vibrated.” ?

[BipolarGrowth]

Is empty space not filled with sensations? That’s what I consider more. 

[hyruga]

Depends on how you define 'empty space'.

For example, you would be crushed to death if you do not have space.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItfFf6Zv4DI

 

Almost every space you dwell in on Earth has magnetic fields, electric field, gravitational field, light rays and electromagnetic waves anyway.

Edited January 11, 2022 by hyruga

[Thought Art]

Part of the reason I asked was seeing a scientist attack spiritual people with the "Atoms at not actually 99% empty space thats just spiritual bullshit"

 But, when you look at it its so loaded...