Define "breakthrough".

[ZenSwift]

I'm always hearing "I broke through on x psychedelic", but what does "breakthrough" actually mean? 

 

I looked up Google's definition: "a sudden, dramatic, and important discovery or development." 

How do you define it? What is it that you're breaking through? What is it that you are breaking out of? 

 

[Thought Art]

*This...is...it* 

[Leo Gura]

When you trip so deeply that you forget you even had a human life prior to this trip.

When the impossible becomes your new reality.

[Vincent S]

3 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

*This...is...it* 

Yeah, Like: You Will Know For Sure. Its Like Your Head Hitting Hard On The Anvil. Its Impossible To Deny Something With That Level Of Truth.
It Completely Replaces Beliefs, Assumptions And Thoughts Regarding The Thing You Break In To: With Direct Experience. Its Absolute.

 

[ZenSwift]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

When you trip so deeply that you forget you even had a human life prior to this trip.

When the impossible becomes your new reality.

Sounds like a good time. I look forward to it. 

[Thought Art]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

When you trip so deeply that you forget you even had a human life prior to this trip.

When the impossible becomes your new reality.

This is a good one actually... 

[Terell Kirby]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

When you trip so deeply that you forget you even had a human life prior to this trip.

When the impossible becomes your new reality.

Best psychedelic for this? I love my meditation, but ready for the next level.

[PurpleTree]

breakthrough is when you're so high that you fall through a window

[Thought Art]

8 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

breakthrough is when you're so high that you fall through a window

Not proper protocol... 

[Consilience]

1 hour ago, Terell Kirby said:

Best psychedelic for this? I love my meditation, but ready for the next level.

You think meditation doesn’t do this? 

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Terell Kirby said:

Best psychedelic for this? I love my meditation, but ready for the next level.

Any psychedelic can do it at a high enough dose.

Just be careful what you wish you.

[Terell Kirby]

5 minutes ago, Consilience said:

You think meditation doesn’t do this? 

Where in my previous post did I mention what meditation didn't do for me?

Unlike others, I'm not going to close the case on spiritual practices I have yet to experience (in this case psychedelics).

Just now, Leo Gura said:

Any psychedelic can do it at a high enough dose.

Thanks Leo.

[Inliytened1]

4 hours ago, ZenSwift said:

I'm always hearing "I broke through on x psychedelic", but what does "breakthrough" actually mean? 

 

A shift into Infinite Consciousness.  But you can breakthrough via meditation as well, or spontaneously.  However it seems for the average guy with "normal" genetics, psychedelics have just the thrust they need

 

[Consilience]

1 hour ago, Terell Kirby said:

Where in my previous post did I mention what meditation didn't do for me?

Right here:

2 hours ago, Terell Kirby said:

Best psychedelic for this? I love my meditation, but ready for the next level.

“Best psychedelic for the next level? Even though I love meditation, psychedelics are what I need for the next level.”

Was this interpretation wrong?

All Im asking is do you think meditation doesn’t take you to this “next level”?

1 hour ago, Terell Kirby said:

Unlike others, I'm not going to close the case on spiritual practices I have yet to experience (in this case psychedelics).

By all means, explore psychedelics!

[Tristan12]

I feel like this is an appropriate thread to ask this, can someone please explain what the difference between an awakening and a mystical experience is? I have had direct experiences of multiple things like reality being a dream and solipsism and other things. I just consider them mystical experiences because they don't feel overly deep but I’m not sure at what point I could consider something an awakening.

[Gili Trawangan]

1 hour ago, Tristan12 said:

I feel like this is an appropriate thread to ask this, can someone please explain what the difference between an awakening and a mystical experience is? I have had direct experiences of multiple things like reality being a dream and solipsism and other things. I just consider them mystical experiences because they don't feel overly deep but I’m not sure at what point I could consider something an awakening.

An awakening is becoming directly conscious of What you are. You awaken from the dream of being human.

A mystical experience is any experience that shatters materialism, you become aware that physical reality is not physical, but you don't necessarily become conscious of What you are.

[Consilience]

6 minutes ago, Gili Trawangan said:

An awakening is becoming directly conscious of What you are. You awaken from the dream of being human.

A mystical experience is any experience that shatters materialism, you become aware that physical reality is not physical, but you don't necessarily become conscious of What you are.

That's one one to frame it for sure.

Awakening to what one is can also be quite mystical and becoming conscious of the nature of physical reality is an awakening when the lack of separation between physical reality and self is seen. 

[Tristan12]

@Gili Trawangan I've heard Leo talking about having multiple awakenings or being due for another awakening on a meditation retreat or something like that, and I always assumed that awakening meant any kind of mystical experience, just becoming directly conscious of something, but you're saying that an awakening is specifically a realization about the nature of what you are, is that correct?

[Gili Trawangan]

@Tristan12 Yes, that's correct.

But like @Consilience said, it's just one way of framing it, after all these are just definitions and concepts.

From my experience, an awakening has a very specific flavor, it's a "holy shit, This is what I am!", without any doubt; and it's a mystical experience as well, of course.

But a mystical experience without an awakening is more like "holy shit, what's going on?", there might be confusion there, or complete absence of mind, or deep peace, or any other freaky stuff.

[Tristan12]

@Gili Trawangan okay, thanks