Situation in Kazakhstan

[PurpleTree]

1 minute ago, Khr said:

So can you understand how one living for 300$ a month is desperate for any hope of change? And how laughable to them the problems of:

are?

depends how expensive things are.

life in some places in india etc.  might be decent with 300$ a month

what good are 6000$ if you're in debt and don't have enough money to pay the taxes at the end of the year

[PurpleTree]

9 minutes ago, Khr said:

Yea, I can guarantee that $300 a month are not good anywhere. Like I said food prices there are same to the ones in US. Some things like nuts and fish are a lot more expensive there. Same thing with clothes, electronics, gas prices, supplies, hydro  - or you think they get some kind of discount there? That is why I can't talk to westerners, they are naive and say stuff as if they were 3 year old children. 

but also many people in the 3rd word etc. think that life in the west is perfect.

that there are no problems, everybody can get a great job

they don't understand that things are expensive, as i said my mandatory health insurance for example costs 450$, don't pay it get fined 

also often there aren't real family structures in the west

often they don't even think about the weather and then they hate it and get depressed and become criminals

not saying it's bad obviously i'd rather stay here than there

Edited January 10, 2022 by PurpleTree

[PurpleTree]

i do think it's fair to bring up the Ukraine

as the issues seem similar, both ex Soviet countries, both protests etc.

but don't get hateful, ideological, check your bias etc.

[Fleetinglife]

22 minutes ago, K Ghoul said:

for me both Russians and Ukrainians are one whole.

This is a Putin and Russian nationalist stage Blue government propaganda line of ''Malorossiya'' and ''Novorossiya'' about the people in Eastern Ukraine and Belarus, I just want to warn you that you are consciously or unconsciously repeating Russian government talking points why intervening in Ukraine is justified to them that has unpleasant and scary connotations for the people living in Western Ukraine and Ukraine as a whole. They see this as justifying a bellicose stance towards them in wanting to secede and reunify part of their country with the Russian state.

Just warning you kind-heartedly and out of concern of the way you use or heard some phrases being often repeated or used in the media that they are actaully part of the ongoing Russian government propaganda campaign against Ukraine and part of its people and the Belarussian people also of why they shouldn't rise up or protest against their government.

Edited January 10, 2022 by Fleetinglife

[PurpleTree]

Let's get back to Kazakhstan

if you guys want to fight, do it in the pms

 

[PurpleTree]

1 minute ago, Khr said:

You don't have to watch it. But I know what you are doing now. I feel like you are harassing me and I would like you to leave me alone. 

use the ignore function, both of you east europeans  

[Fleetinglife]

28 minutes ago, K Ghoul said:

I get sad and start crying.

Ik sometimes how it feels, I feel you,  when watching Serbs and Bosnians and Croats do the same thing to each other as well, don't. Take care and worry about your own people and fight and hold your own government accountable, that is the best thing and most conscious thing you can do and any of us can do in any given situation, and only afterward then can we have the power to help others people abroad besides our own in a meaningful way.

We dehumanize and kill each other because we don't really know ourselves and our own situation and how it came to be and therefore we don't understand and misunderstand others that are actually a part of us and aspects of our own deeply repressed selves when looking at reality objectively as a whole.

We need to deeply understand and accept ourselves first, of who and what we actually are first, and only then can we love and understand others, but this can't come into being if we're forced to do this by some perverted, twisted and untruthful version of this imposed by others who also don't understand themselves and therefore us and do this for their own self-serving purposes and agendas for us to buy into so they can easily manipulate, control and dominate us.

True love and understanding of other people is not forced upon but must come out naturally and organically out of our self-arrived insights, knowledge, understanding, and self-realization about the true nature of our relationship with them. In short, true love is not and can't be forced, it is therefore no longer love by that definition but forced bondage and dependency, it is naturally arrived at by the personal self-realization of the individual about the nature and origin of his relationships and reason he has formed them in the first place.

 

Edited January 10, 2022 by Fleetinglife

[PurpleTree]

@Khr this really doesn't have anything to do with the topic 

[PurpleTree]

56 minutes ago, Khr said:

Can you stop trying to be the judge of what is appropriate and what is not? 

nope

i don't want this to get closed because of a dumb beef

take it to the pms, nobody cares

Edited January 10, 2022 by PurpleTree

[Danioover9000]

@Khr

13 hours ago, Khr said:

For me it is also a sensitive subject, and I don't see any issues/disrespect with posting footage from what was happening in Ukraine or Belarus. If anything I think you are being very selfish and extremely disrespectful by telling me what I can and can't post. If you feel traumatized by watching the footage it is your responsibility not to watch it. You are not the only person on the forum, the things that are happening are not only difficult for you, and this forum is not only about you expressing how you feel. 

   Watch what you say. You are treading a very thin line here. What ever happened in Ukraine and Belarus, has nothing to do with Kazakhstan's current political situation. If you feel the need to talk about Russia and Ukraine and Belarus, make another thread about that, but don't  derail the thread when it's mainly about Kazakhstan.

[Carl-Richard]

Let's keep this to politics.

[Danioover9000]

2 hours ago, Khr said:

Unless you show me exactly where in the Guidelines it says that I can’t discuss things that I think are related, I suggest you leave me alone. You are English, what makes you qualified to know that it has “nothing to do with Kazakhstan current situation”? You’re not even from the regions, how is it smart of you to make such statements? Where is the open mind here? Instead of constantly complaining about what I write, and actually derailing the thread, how about you write something of value instead? 

FYI, the reason why I even started talking about how all of this is related to Russia, is because of the third comment on this post being about how the KZ protest was funded by CIA, just like Ukraine and Hong Kong protests were, and then some other conspiracy theory about russophobia and how russia is the victim in all of this. I thought this was a toxic, ideological, dogmatic, dismissive, and dangerous misinformation. 

Mods can you tell this person to leave me alone already? Who is he to be so condescending and judge what I can and can’t post and what is a thin line?

   I'm happy to point out where your blinds pots are. Here's some of the guidelines you crossed over.

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This is not a free-speech zone and we will definitely "censor" you and ban you if your presence here drags down the overall quality of the forum.

If we see you repeatedly acting from ego with no self-awareness or ability to restrain yourself, you will be banned." 

   

   If you think this whole thread is trolling, toxic, dangerous, misinformation and conspiracy theory because the whole thing is CIA funded, then report the thread and try not to be as toxic, trollist and dogmatic as the users you think are? Food for retrospection of your input here @Khr .

 

   Here's a video on Kazakhstan situation:

 

   

Edited January 10, 2022 by Danioover9000

[Danioover9000]

   https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjrwOvI_qf1AhVIZMAKHWjTC8sQvOMEKAB6BAgDEAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnbc.com%2F2022%2F01%2F09%2Fkazakhstan-says-situation-stabilized-president-firmly-in-charge-after-unrest.html&usg=AOvVaw1LFbVcFPclhWiESYdvBlSB

   The link above is from CNBC on the Kazakhstan situation. The one below is from another source:

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjrwOvI_qf1AhVIZMAKHWjTC8sQvOMEKAB6BAgFEAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dw.com%2Fen%2Famid-kazakhstan-unrest-almaty-residents-seek-bread-and-information%2Fa-60368997&usg=AOvVaw2u0-NO3YX0lMbT3idy57WW

[Fleetinglife]

Watch: current sitting Kazakhstan President Tokayev forwards a very questionable claim to the other council chair Presidents and PMs at the CSTO members official meeting called up because of the Kazakhstan Jan. protests and political crisis that there were 20 000 terrorists including foreigners at the protest and among the protestors but that there  wasn't any evidence found to prove that there were this many of them since their comrades probably snuck into Kazakh morgues and stole their bodies (supposedly to resurrect them later using the dark arts of necromancy, that the terrorists mastered, so they can raise more Zombie terrorists to plague the country in the Kazakh Jan 2022 Zombie terrorist outbreak):

Take a note also at the puzzled opened eyes look at 0:18 mark of the clip that Armenian PM Pashinyan is also giving him as if to convey through facial expression: ''Did I just hear that right? Is this guy really saying what he is saying?'' and then right after in the video he proceeds to swiftly raise his eyebrow as if to say convey with that expression to other parties at the meeting: ''Are we really going with this explanation/excuse at the end guys, really?''

Edited January 10, 2022 by Fleetinglife

[PurpleTree]

28 minutes ago, Fleetinglife said:

Watch: current sitting Kazakhstan President Tokayev forwards a very questionable claim to the other council chair Presidents and PMs at the CSTO meeting that there were 20 000 terrorists including foreigners at the protestors but that weren't any evidence to prove that there were this many of them since their comrades snuck into Kazakh morgues and stole their bodies (supposedly to resurrect them later using the dark arts of necromancy, that the terrorists mastered, so they can raise more Zombie terrorists to plague the country in the Kazakh Jan 2022 Zombie terrorist outbreak):

Take a note also at the puzzled opened eyes look at 0:18 mark of the clip that Armenian PM Pashinyan is also giving him as if to convey through facial expression: ''Did I just hear that right? Is this guy really saying what he is saying?'' and then right after in the video he proceeds to swiftly raise his eyebrow as if to say convey with that expression to other parties at the meeting: ''Are we really going with this explanation/excuse at the end guys, really?''

 

Kind of messed up that the Armenian President has to sit there and listen to this bs

while the CSTO didn't even help his country when he was attacked by Azerbaijan recently

[Space Lizard]

Dmitry Orlov, who always has an interesting and intelligent perspective on things, analyzes the Kazakhstan unrest this way:

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What happened in KZ was a paramilitary attack meticulously organized but launched in haste by Western intelligence that had the goal of destroying the statehood of KZ. It was not an attempt to take it over (no time for that) but simply to destroy. The entire state structure was sufficiently rotten that the defense/security agencies couldn’t even pick sides and became demoralized and inactive, but once the Russians were called in to help they immediately knew which side would win and fell back in line. The West’s goal was to set KZ ablaze prior to the talks in Geneva in order to have a better negotiating position vis-à-vis Russia: “You want to divide spheres of influence? Well, we already did that for you—in Kazakhstan!” Keep in mind, the RU-KZ border is open, undefendable and almost 8000km long, running from Volgograd to Tomsk in Siberia, making KZ, as a failed state, a major headache for Russia. Obviously, Russia knew that KZ, rife with Western NGOs and accompanying corruption, and with a weakening economy, could easily be tipped over, and prepared for just this case. Now that the attack on KZ statehood has failed and a mop-up operation is in progress, this has given Russia a huge trump card for the Geneva talks. The West has played its cards and lost. There will be no more color revolutions in the post-Soviet space. Its operatives in KZ are being hunted down and eliminated. Those in positions of authority in KZ have learned the same lesson as Lukashenko: they cannot trust the West; they have to trust Moscow.

(Source: comment at https://thesaker.is/who-lost-kazakhstan-and-to-whom/ )

I don't know how accurate this is, but he's probably right that we'll see a crackdown on Western-aligned forces in Kazakhstan, including NGOs which are known fronts for Western subversion. And KZ will definitely be closely aligned with Russia after they saved the regime. Looks like another big L for the color revolution/regime-change crowd, and another big W for Putin.

[Carl-Richard]

Very toxic thread.