How have countries such as Mongolia been able to maintain some level of democracy?

[Hardkill]

Apparently, Mongolia has a democracy. How is a 2nd world country like that able to maintain a democracy when it is about as poor as Iraq and its infrastructure doesn't appear to be as good as even China's?

Edited January 7, 2022 by Hardkill

[happyhappy]

20 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

Apparently, Mongolia has a democracy. How is a 2nd world country like that able to maintain a democracy when it is about as poor as Iraq and its infrastructure doesn't appear to be as good as even China's?

yes apparently!  not really. for example,countries like Srilanka too exhibit itself to be very democratic, though inside it is full of corruption. In Sri lanka they have this democratic system but the president, the prime minister , finance minister and all the biggest ministers in the parliament come from the same family of brothers...  
 

when the majority of the population is steeped in stage red/blue , democracy only has to bring their continuity.  Hypocrates too were doubtful of the democratic system owing to this reason. democracy is more like a stage orange thing imho.

[hyruga]

Because the Mongolia is a sparsely populated country with huge land and a very small population of 3.3 million compared to 40 mil in Iraq.

Mongolia don't need much infrastructure. They have lots of farm lands and their people like to ride and keep horses. Most of the people there are well-educated up to end of middle school and their education emphasize on loyalty, integrity and brotherhood. 

[Hardkill]

Yeah but their economy isn't strong and it's still a very poor country. Plus, it's bordered by Russia to the north and China to the south and Mongolia doesn't appear to have a strong enough military to defend itself from either of those countries. Russia and China not only have two next strongest militaries in the world after the USA, but also they are each ruled by very shrewd and highly autocratic dictators. So, how can a country like Mongolia afford to have even a flawed democracy when it seems to be danger of being taken over by either Russia or China and it has a very weak economy?

[hyruga]

4 hours ago, Hardkill said:

Yeah but their economy isn't strong and it's still a very poor country. Plus, it's bordered by Russia to the north and China to the south and Mongolia doesn't appear to have a strong enough military to defend itself from either of those countries. Russia and China not only have two next strongest militaries in the world after the USA, but also they are each ruled by very shrewd and highly autocratic dictators. So, how can a country like Mongolia afford to have even a flawed democracy when it seems to be danger of being taken over by either Russia or China and it has a very weak economy?

What do you mean by weak democracy?

Every country has flawed democracy anyway. No country is perfect. The people of Mongols are mostly contended with what they have anyway. So many horses, so many farms (Food, water), education. The more greedy ones would leave to another country for growth.

Many reasons why China/Russia don't attack: One reason is out of respect due to the past warring periods. Mongolia was at war for practically the whole time in the past and people have moved past stage Red SD to another stage SD.

Another reason is Mongolia is not rich in natural resources so there's not much benefits to overtaking the land. Why attack a country which has poor economy and resources? 

Edited January 7, 2022 by hyruga

[Hardkill]

3 hours ago, hyruga said:

What do you mean by weak democracy?

Every country has flawed democracy anyway. No country is perfect. The people of Mongols are mostly contended with what they have anyway. So many horses, so many farms (Food, water), education. The more greedy ones would leave to another country for growth.

Many reasons why China/Russia don't attack: One reason is out of respect due to the past warring periods. Mongolia was at war for practically the whole time in the past and people have moved past stage Red SD to another stage SD.

Another reason is Mongolia is not rich in natural resources so there's not much benefits to overtaking the land. Why attack a country which has poor economy and resources? 

Well, in the grand scheme of things, no perfect democracy has ever existed. However, some countries such as India have a flawed democracy, otherwise known as an illiberal democracy. Then you have other countries such as the United Kingdom that have a full democracy, otherwise known as a liberal democracy. 

Here are the definitions of flawed democracy and full democracy.

flawed democracy: 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illiberal_democracy

full democracy:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_democracy

Actually, the sad truth about America is that it has fallen from being a full democracy to a flawed democracy. Though it’s still a 1st world flawed democracy whereas countries such as India and Mongolia are 2nd world flawed democracies.

 

As for Russia and China, they right now are seriously considering taking over Taiwan and Ukraine respectively. So, if Russia and China are not respecting the independence of those countries, then why would continue to respect the independence of Mongolia?

Perhaps you do have a point about Russia or China not needing Mongolia. Then again, why not take over it when you’re power hungry and you have the might to do so?

Edited January 7, 2022 by Hardkill

[hyruga]

I can't speak about Russia but in China, some chinese (about 50% of them) still see Taiwan as part of their territory. It would be political-suicidal for the President of China to declare peace with Taiwan or not interested in attacking Taiwan. It was mostly a political stance by the Chinese govt. They have to be hard, to be draconian in their measures against Taiwan.

Otherwise, the people of China would easily overthrown the govt or the leader, Xi JinPing. It's not a big problem though as people who make it to the top normally have a heart of steel anyway, just like Putin.

There are also many nations openly or secretly in defence of Taiwan and will defend Taiwan if a war breakout (US, Australia and many nations in Asia)

It's also the same for Mongolia: Russia cannot attack Mongol because China will intervene. China cannot attack Mongol because Russia will intervene.

Edited January 7, 2022 by hyruga

[Hardkill]

7 minutes ago, hyruga said:

I can't speak about Russia but in China, some chinese (about 50% of them) still see Taiwan as part of their territory. It would be political-suicidal for the President of China to declare peace with Taiwan or not interested in attacking Taiwan. It was mostly a political stance by the Chinese govt. They have to be hard, to be draconian in their measures against Taiwan.

Otherwise, the people of China would easily overthrown the govt or the leader, Xi JinPing. It's not a big problem though as people who make it to the top normally have a heart of steel anyway, just like Putin.

There are also many nations openly or secretly in defence of Taiwan and will defend Taiwan if a war breakout (US, Australia and many nations)

It's also the same for Mongolia: Russia cannot attack Mongol because China will intervene. China cannot attack Mongol because Russia will intervene.

Hmmm...I guess things have gotten too complicated politically these days for these countries to easily go to war with each other.

Well, I hope that Mongolia is able to keep and even promote its level of democracy in the future.

[Carl-Richard]

I see a pattern in your posts where you try to find contradictions to SD using specific anomalous examples (e.g. "this" specific aspect of "this" specific country). I think this is the wrong approach. All models generalize at some level, and therefore there will always be inconsistencies on the level of single examples. SD is used to understand large trends of societal development across nations and ideologies, which is a very wide lens. There is always a trade-off between having a wide vs. narrow lens (generalizability vs. specificity). What you should do instead is to look at a large collection of examples, establish a pattern and see if it fits.