Freedom?

[Arcangelo]

Covid is real.

Vaccines, masks and social distancing work.

But is not ethical to force or coerce someone to take the jab.

[Tim R]

5 hours ago, Arcangelo said:

But is not ethical to force or coerce someone to take the jab.

Do you think some ICU patient's lungs care about "ethical"? I doubt it. Even though you will, especially in America, where libertarianism is probably more popular than in any other country on earth, find countless people dying in proud ignorance. 

Why is it not "ethical" to force someone to get vaccinated? 

Have you considered that there might be no such thing as "ethical", and that it's completely made up, and that everybody consideres different things to be "ethical" depending on what surves their selfish agenda the most?

What makes you so sure that your so called "individual freedom" is more important than the collective well-being?

What do you suppose would happen if society stopped forcing people to adhere to rules and laws? Do you think that's not ethical either?

If people act irresponsibly and thereby endanger other members of society, why should it be "unethical" to force them to behave if that is the only solution to protect society? Wouldn't that actually be the more ethical thing to do? For example, people are forced by law not to drive under the influence of alcohol & drugs, and if they do anyway, they are punished by law and society, either with a fine or they could even go to jail.

"Freedom"... There is no freedom without restrictions.

[hyruga]

If everything is God, is Covid God?

Here's another question:

If everything is God, then is the vaccine God as well?

What about synthetic substance such as Nylon or Plastic? Is Plastic God?

 

[Arcangelo]

8 hours ago, Tim R said:

What makes you so sure that your so called "individual freedom" is more important than the collective well-being?

I am just following my heart and my intuition, they tell me that it's just wrong.

+Some people say it's against human rights. The Nuremberg trials and all that.

What does your heart tell you?

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[BadHippie]

Forcing someone to do something against his/her own will leads to trauma... 

Kinda our problem with the current world, we are so Trauma-unaware that we hardly notice when we traumatize each other. Now we are even doing it collectively... Sounds like a good step towards a more trauma-conscious society... ? 

[Consept]

16 hours ago, Arcangelo said:

Covid is real.

Vaccines, masks and social distancing work.

But is not ethical to force or coerce someone to take the jab.

Society is extremely difficult to manage, in terms of balancing 'freedom' with protecting people from others but also from themselves. 

Thought experiment type thing but do you think the following examples are limits on freedom or unethical as it stops people making a choice themselves and also if not or if so why? -

Vaccines for when you go abroad, Malaria, tetanus etc one could make the argument you should be free to travel without having a vaccine that youre not sure of

Restrictions for driving ie having to take a driving test, wear a seatbelt, follow signs etc one could make the argument that if you know how to drive you dont need the government telling you that you have to follow their rules. 

Banning of trans fats or having sugar limits or sugar taxes on certain foods, one could make the argument that you can monitor your own health and you dont need the gov telling you how much you should eat esp if they dont really care or promote a healthy lifestyle. 

Smoking, you should be allowed to smoke anywhere and it is a restriction of freedom not to be able to, its also not fair that its heavily taxed esp as we are aware of the damage it does now and we want freedom to choose to do it in moderation. 

[Opo]

34 minutes ago, BadHippie said:

Forcing someone to do something against his/her own will leads to trauma... 

That's what I tell my mom when she tells me to go to bed but she doesn't listen. 

What should I do? 

[Arcangelo]

@Consept My conclusions from the thought experiment are:

1. You're light years smarter than me.

2.

1 hour ago, Consept said:

Society is extremely difficult to manage

3. You're right. If it was up to me it would be anarchy, and then (to hold power) it would become a tyrannical dystopia.

4. I wish I could give you a longer answer.

 

Thanks for your  collaboration

[Consept]

1 hour ago, Arcangelo said:

@Consept My conclusions from the thought experiment are:

1. You're light years smarter than me.

2.

3. You're right. If it was up to me it would be anarchy, and then (to hold power) it would become a tyrannical dystopia.

4. I wish I could give you a longer answer.

 

Thanks for your  collaboration

Why not just engage in the conversation, otherwise youre basically just posting statements and looking for people to disagree with you and then attempting to insult them by giving sarcastic answers to normal questions. I'm not trying to 'win' by making you look stupid and making me look smart as you seem to think, im genuinely interested in your take on what i posted