Meditation, Arguments and Head Pain.

[BlueOak]

The last few  days I meditated for the first time(s) in several years. Today I had a brief intense argument. I now have a mild headache. In the past it has been much more intense depending on the state.

When I don't meditate I don't get headaches if I argue with people or enter a stressful situation. 

When I do meditate the crown of my head and my temples are prone to getting headaches. 

Is there any way around this apart from the obvious answer, control, understanding addressing what came up. I am asking about the physical side of it. Is meditation always prone to making people more suseptible to headaches when emotions are more intense. I realise meditation can itself calm stressful situations but my environment and myself are not capable of remaining calm at all times.

 

[mandyjw]

We continually cover over feeling discomfort and tensions in the body with thinking. It sweeps it under the rug, it doesn't deal with it. But still, it's out of sight. Even the labeling it discomfort is the sweeping. If you pull up the rug to address what's under there, it's gonna look like a startling mess for a hot minute. 

[Nahm]

4 hours ago, BlueOak said:

Today I had a brief intense argument. I now have a mild headache

The headache is kinda the teacher here. One doesn’t have to be calm all the time, to not argue. Allow everyone to think whatever they want, and you’re inherently allowing this for yourself, and then there’s no headache. Analogously, ‘I don’t like how my stomach feels’… ‘I’m not going to eat that again’. 

 

[BlueOak]

Sincerely thank you all for being here  I have realised what I needed. Thanks to you.
I inwardly sought to feel more a few days ago, and to experience more empathy, this is what's happening.

@mandyjw

This is perhaps why thinking is eventually seperated as meditation progresses. Thank you. By thinking continuously I don't have to feel or understand, which is another method of avoidance.

@Nahm

Yes. Its more of a physical reaction and condition that occurs, if i am carrying out a meditative practice and then I get into an intense argument with someone I feel it a lot more afterwards physically. Like a pressure headache.

@Tim Ho

Very basic. The last few days I just sat down and meditated, I just cross my legs, palms up, back straight, tongue to the roof of my mouth, press my fingers together, and what happens happens. Sometimes all there is, is space. Othertimes I gain an understanding. Sometimes I would like an answer from my subconscious/spirit. Sometimes I focus on areas of pain within my body but that tends to happen naturally anyway, that pain feels warmth or relief. Othertimes I ask for something from myself like more empathy and I spend some time with those thoughts on what comes up. This thread and my argument was likely a result of me seeking the abilty to feel more, and its only as I type this I realise that's what is happening.

Edited January 1, 2022 by BlueOak

[Thought Art]

@BlueOak qigong

[BlueOak]

14 hours ago, Thought Art said:

@BlueOak qigong

I do a bit of that without thinking around the eyes, neck, ears and scalp. Thanks for reminding me of it.

[BipolarGrowth]

Various chakras can feel like a typical headache but are in fact a spiritual energetic occurrence. Not sure if that’s precisely what happened to you, but I wouldn’t doubt it. 

[Nahm]

19 hours ago, BlueOak said:

Yes. Its more of a physical reaction and condition that occurs, if i am carrying out a meditative practice and then I get into an intense argument with someone I feel it a lot more afterwards physically. Like a pressure headache.

Question why you argue at all, with anyone. ‘What is it I really want out of this activity’?

Question why you’re meditating, ‘what is it I really want out of this activity’?

Feel the dots connect. One in the same. ?

[BlueOak]

@BipolarGrowth
Could be, when I use to actively practice energy work, do a lot of yoga, detox etc I had a very bad energetic blow out from an argument. It felt like a metal bar had hit me. This is nothing that severe but a similar sensation.

@Nahm
Arugments for me are not common anymore like they were when I was growing up. Now when they happen they are usually reactive and triggered, not something I often consciously choose to take part in. There is a split second warning, just a rush of emotions and a NO reaction. Setting a boundry usually.

I appreciate the prodding. I intellectually know everything is love, I experienced it in a very direct way a decade ago. Not much since then  but back then I felt like spirituality altered in a way that I couldn't follow in, and so I stopped meditating, yoga, and adopting a more loving state. Back to being very disconnected from love. Even though I consciously know that doesn't make sense what I just wrote, because all is love, its what I felt and to a certain extent still feel. I am trying to open up again, in things like this discussion, but its not so simple, there's a lot of good reasons to close down and shut yourself off from connection. There is a lot of times you have to be on your guard around people, locations, situations, or for example say very little.

@Tim Ho
I am trying it now thank you. As I have a mild headache and did a lot of meditating today. Consciousness feels very heavy.
 

[Nahm]

@BlueOak

Conceptualism, intellectualism and state chasing are conjecture. The simplicity is that this is thought attachment, and these highly discordant beliefs are what’s being triggered. The clarity in regard to conjecture is in recognizing you aren’t creating it per se, you’re hearing and believing it. You aren’t creating the conjecture, but you are creating the belief / believing of it, at the expense of how it feels.

The complexity is in the framing of the discord of the conjecture, as your serious emotional problems. The perpetuation is in the continuance and doubling down, or, conjecture referential conjecture; that more conceptualizing, intellectualizing, and state chasing will some how resolve conceptualizing, intellectualizing and state chasing. This leads to more emotional suppression, and more attempting to control situations and others, believing this will result in feeling better. But it doesn’t. It results in headaches & suffering, which is believed to be pain. 

[BlueOak]

@Nahm

I appreciate you taking the time to give your thoughts and advice. The conversation has helped me more clearly see where I am stuck or blocked from experiencing love or connection again. Where I differ is that these conjectures are necessary. 

I realise we define our boundaries and what they are, they are self imposed beliefs. On a personal level with people its necessary thought conjecture when you experience either shaming, aggression, betrayal, or just general condescending behavior to respond. It happens in front of you, and its not healthy or even often safe to allow it. My reaction however is often not conscious, or tempered, its quite abrupt and I would like more space before it happens inside me, so I can consciously choose how to respond outwardly before I say something I might regret for example. So I can avoid decisions like leaving a job when someone crosses one of those boundaries, which happened a couple of years back.

What you speak of references the larger world more clearly to me. Thought structures and hierachies are prone to that. With so many people firmly holding the same beliefs, we interact with organizational structures daily as they are very present in the world around us. I only have one mode of interacting with them when I find them overbearing, that is disconnection or if I am forced to confront it, some form of rebellion which is also disconnection. I am trying again now to seek out more teachers on empathy or collectivism generally, so that I can better interact with what I don't like to experience or see day to day.

[Nahm]

@BlueOak

It’s easier not to judge. Behinds the scenes of all judgement is judging oneself. Which doesn’t make any sense, because oneself is love (sense).