Have you ever prayed to God after your enlightenment ?

[mememe]

wrong question.

did you ever stop praying after enlightenment? 

would be the question to answer this notion of what full enlightenment probably is. if not every moment of your life became like a prayer, you, like me probably always ever only had glimpses.

[The0Self]

46 minutes ago, mememe said:

wrong question.

did you ever stop praying after enlightenment? 

would be the question to answer this notion of what full enlightenment probably is. if not every moment of your life became like a prayer, you, like me probably always ever only had glimpses.

[Zeroguy]

3 hours ago, The0Self said:

Exactly. Which is why from here is it obvious that there is no reality, since reality changes, and Truth (guess you could call it God) doesn't. Just terminology. You're not wrong. Actually, it's impossible to be wrong, since reality is exactly as real as it seems, and everything that is real is equally unreal.

No.

There can only be Truth. There is only God forever.

You created and are all, dummy. 

(mind fucking all the time myself for this) 

All is Love. Actual Love. 

[The0Self]

10 minutes ago, Zeroguy said:

No.

There can only be Truth. There is only God forever.

You created and are all, dummy. 

(mind fucking all the time myself for this) 

All is Love. Actual Love. 

If that's what appears there, it's the truth, as that's all there is, unless it is seen to be other than its observer-taken-as-true as that would mean it's other than truth / what you really are. Wonderful! 

Not really sure what your disagreement was though! That's perfect.

Edited December 28, 2021 by The0Self

[BipolarGrowth]

6 hours ago, The0Self said:

True. But the character speaking is never the enlightened one. The enlightened one is the underlying truth that there is no character. However, in a sense, prayer can certainly still happen, but it won't be to anything -- it'll just be an integrated appearance; a manifestation of authentic desire and an alignment with truth devoid of self-interest. Kind of.

What do you think of the idea that self-interest cannot stop? By this I mean that the “self” merely becomes increasingly holistic until there is no resistance, but what happens is the “interest”.

[The0Self]

4 minutes ago, BipolarGrowth said:

What do you think of the idea that self-interest cannot stop? By this I mean that the “self” merely becomes increasingly holistic until there is no resistance, but what happens is the “interest”.

Yeah, all of that resonates. Self never stops because it itself is the absence of stopping. The assumption that it can stop perpetuates the experience that there is a self which could stop. If it does apparently stop it's seen as never having started, so it never stopped, to the bitter and beautiful end, which isn't an end because there is already only the end, which is also the beginning. There's no separation to the entirety of the whole.

The degree to which enlightenment is not seen, could be described as the degree to which there seems to be a real (or true) difference between 1. Anything and 2. Everything. Which generally strongly correlates negatively with any self-referential maladies (or vigor's) including self-esteem, self-hate, self-pride, self-shame, self-love (even... but only: in a sense / so to speak), etc.

[BipolarGrowth]

14 minutes ago, The0Self said:

Yeah, all of that resonates. Self never stops because it itself is the absence of stopping. The assumption that it can stop perpetuates the experience that there is a self which could stop. If it does apparently stop it's seen as never having started, so it never stopped, to the bitter and beautiful end, which isn't an end because there is already only the end, which is also the beginning. There's no separation to the entirety of the whole.

The degree to which enlightenment is not seen, could be described as the degree to which there seems to be a real (or true) difference between 1. Anything and 2. Everything. Which generally strongly correlates negatively with any self-referential maladies (or vigor's) including self-esteem, self-hate, self-pride, self-shame, self-love (even... but only: in a sense / so to speak), etc.

Great. Thank you for the response. 

[The0Self]

1 minute ago, BipolarGrowth said:

Great. Thank you for the response. 

Thanks.