machiavelli

Have you ever prayed to God after your enlightenment ?

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Not in a conventional sense .. 

I often express gratitude to God, and yet at the same time .. I am expressing that same gratitude to myself.

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44 minutes ago, machiavelli said:

Do you guys ever prayed after your enlightenment?

That’s literally impossible. If you think there is another to pray to, you’re not enlightened.


"Not believing your own thoughts, you’re free from the primal desire: the thought that reality should be different than it is. You realise the wordless, the unthinkable. You understand that any mystery is only what you yourself have created. In fact, there’s no mystery. Everything is as clear as day. It’s simple, because there really isn’t anything. There’s only the story appearing now. And not even that.” — Byron Katie

 

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10 hours ago, How to be wise said:

That’s literally impossible. If you think there is another to pray to, you’re not enlightened.

Prayer is just another spiritual technique. You can do it whenever, at any level of realization. That’s like saying an enlightened person can’t talk to “another” being. All prayer is is one cluster of sensations relating to another cluster of sensations in which the latter is self generated through belief and intention. 
 

To answer the question of the thread, I pray pretty much every day. I’m not saying I’m enlightened by whatever conception of enlightenment someone reading has in their mind. Everyone has a different bar, and almost everyone’s ideas of it are in disagreement with each other’s and wrong in some way, including my own. 
 

Anyway, prayer is a great way to bring energy and activity into the chakras to supercharge your state if you want once you’re sensitive enough to sense these types of energies. To agree with @How to be wise, the type of prayer that occurs in stage blue people does not occur for people who have any real level of understanding of what’s going on. There’s a lot that distinguishes high conscious prayer from low conscious prayer. Most of the difference is just baked into the level of insight someone has when doing the activity.
 

You can also think about prayer like this. Could an enlightened person bring the idea of Love to mind and experience a more pleasant state by focusing on the positive feelings and memories that idea brings to mind? You’re essentially doing this with praying to a deity or the Absolute in general. If it’s asking for your life to improve or some other more typical prayer like you see stage blue people doing, it’s probably just going to be more like a weak law of attraction exercise in most cases. That’s not really what I’m talking about here. 
 

To be more clear, there is an energy, an archetype, symbol of higher attributes in Jesus Christ, Buddha, Krishna, etc. in your mind. When the cluster of sensations which you could call an ego self intends to connect with this in some way, it’s in many ways the same as sitting down to meditate. Just doing an activity to raise consciousness. When you’re asking for specific egoic outcomes from this divine focus object, it’s really a pretty low form of prayer which hardly even should be called prayer IMO. I’d recommend to focus the intention of prayer to be to connect the lower self with the higher aspect your mind sees in a deity, the Absolute, or whatever you choose. 


What did the stage orange scientist call the stage blue fundamentalist for claiming YHWH intentionally caused Noah’s great flood?

Delugional. 

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@BipolarGrowth There is only one being in existence: you. Who then are you praying to?


"Not believing your own thoughts, you’re free from the primal desire: the thought that reality should be different than it is. You realise the wordless, the unthinkable. You understand that any mystery is only what you yourself have created. In fact, there’s no mystery. Everything is as clear as day. It’s simple, because there really isn’t anything. There’s only the story appearing now. And not even that.” — Byron Katie

 

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8 minutes ago, How to be wise said:

@BipolarGrowth There is only one being in existence: you. Who then are you praying to?

Just parts of existence which produce desirable results. Just because a human body is one thing on a holistic level doesn’t mean there aren’t also toes and fingers within that. Existence works in a similar way. Of course it’s only You. But you are within You and You is within you. The sensations that make up a typical self structure obviously aren’t the entire whole. Awakening isn’t about the sensations of the old self structure disappearing from thin air forever. You still have a body, psychology, etc. at least most of the time. You can connect with whatever you fancy. I find Jesus and Krishna to be effective for me. 


What did the stage orange scientist call the stage blue fundamentalist for claiming YHWH intentionally caused Noah’s great flood?

Delugional. 

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1 hour ago, BipolarGrowth said:

Just parts of existence which produce desirable results. Just because a human body is one thing on a holistic level doesn’t mean there aren’t also toes and fingers within that. Existence works in a similar way. Of course it’s only You. But you are within You and You is within you. The sensations that make up a typical self structure obviously aren’t the entire whole. Awakening isn’t about the sensations of the old self structure disappearing from thin air forever. You still have a body, psychology, etc. at least most of the time. You can connect with whatever you fancy. I find Jesus and Krishna to be effective for me. 

In other words, you’re not aware of yourself as God.


"Not believing your own thoughts, you’re free from the primal desire: the thought that reality should be different than it is. You realise the wordless, the unthinkable. You understand that any mystery is only what you yourself have created. In fact, there’s no mystery. Everything is as clear as day. It’s simple, because there really isn’t anything. There’s only the story appearing now. And not even that.” — Byron Katie

 

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6 hours ago, BipolarGrowth said:

 

To be more clear, there is an energy, an archetype, symbol of higher attributes in Jesus Christ, Buddha, Krishna, etc. in your mind. When the cluster of sensations which you could call an ego self intends to connect with this in some way, it’s in many ways the same as sitting down to meditate. Just doing an activity to raise consciousness. When you’re asking for specific egoic outcomes from this divine focus object, it’s really a pretty low form of prayer which hardly even should be called prayer IMO. I’d recommend to focus the intention of prayer to be to connect the lower self with the higher aspect your mind sees in a deity, the Absolute, or whatever you choose. 

@BipolarGrowth Are you aware of the fact that humans donot exist? 

Jesus, Krishna, Buddha donot exist . 

So what you are praying to?

Individual ego self is an illusion . And krishna , Buddha etc are ego self arising in consciousness.

You are potraying as if another entity in the form of human exist who listens to your prayer .

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1 hour ago, machiavelli said:

@BipolarGrowth Are you aware of the fact that humans donot exist? 

Jesus, Krishna, Buddha donot exist . 

So what you are praying to?

Individual ego self is an illusion . And krishna , Buddha etc are ego self arising in consciousness.

You are potraying as if another entity in the form of human exist who listens to your prayer .

Who are you writing to?

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It's about the one thing that would be unthinkable to do after enlightenment. However, prayer still happens, but it's not to anything -- it's the absolute appearing as prayer, integrated with the whole, falling in place with the apparent order of things.

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2 hours ago, How to be wise said:

In other words, you’re not aware of yourself as God.

Sure man. You got me. I’ve in fact never been aware of that aspect of awakening ? Why don’t you enlighten us with a description of your moment-to-moment experience? 


What did the stage orange scientist call the stage blue fundamentalist for claiming YHWH intentionally caused Noah’s great flood?

Delugional. 

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Just now, BipolarGrowth said:

Why don’t you enlighten us with a description of your moment-to-moment experience? 

Life=Dream. 

God=Reality

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2 minutes ago, BipolarGrowth said:

Why don’t you enlighten us 

I can’t enlighten you. Only you can.


"Not believing your own thoughts, you’re free from the primal desire: the thought that reality should be different than it is. You realise the wordless, the unthinkable. You understand that any mystery is only what you yourself have created. In fact, there’s no mystery. Everything is as clear as day. It’s simple, because there really isn’t anything. There’s only the story appearing now. And not even that.” — Byron Katie

 

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33 minutes ago, Zeroguy said:

Life=Dream. 

God=Reality

That’s a good way of putting it. 


What did the stage orange scientist call the stage blue fundamentalist for claiming YHWH intentionally caused Noah’s great flood?

Delugional. 

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@BipolarGrowth @Zeroguy For sure! :)

Or

Appearance = Changing = Reality = Untruth

Consciousness = Unchanging = No-Other-ness = Truth

Those who say consciousness is not the absolute are not wrong, as they refer to consciousness as that which one can have more or less of. That's not the consciousness referred to above. It doesn't change or move, ever.

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2 minutes ago, The0Self said:

@BipolarGrowth @Zeroguy For sure! :)

Or

Appearance = Changing = Reality = Untruth

Consciousness = Unchanging = No-Other-ness = Truth

There  can be/is only Truth. 

Actuality =God

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2 minutes ago, Zeroguy said:

There  can be/is only Truth. 

Actuality =God

Exactly. Which is why from here is it obvious that there is no reality, since reality changes, and Truth (guess you could call it God) doesn't. Just terminology. You're not wrong. Actually, it's impossible to be wrong, since reality is exactly as real as it seems, and everything that is real is equally unreal.

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20 hours ago, How to be wise said:

That’s literally impossible. If you think there is another to pray to, you’re not enlightened.

True. But the character speaking is never the enlightened one. The enlightened one is the underlying truth that there is no character. However, in a sense, prayer can certainly still happen, but it won't be to anything -- it'll just be an integrated appearance; a manifestation of authentic desire and an alignment with truth devoid of self-interest. Kind of.

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