How to find a Spiritual Teacher

[The0Self]

26 minutes ago, Shambhu said:

@Gregory1 I have tried other psychedelics, but not 5meo.  I am both amused and saddened that they are what people consider as a spiritual experience.  You have no way of knowing what I have seen.

If spiritual experience is to mean anything at all, LSD-25 and 5-MeO-DMT can provide it with great reliability ? 

Life changing or life re-contextualizing unveilings of God mind, especially cosmic oneness, ego-death, etc.

Psychedelics aren’t special — like anything else they can be spiritual/mystical experiences. Were you saying they were exempt from this? Not exactly claiming the opposite, I’m just wondering where you got that idea.

[Shambhu]

1 minute ago, The0Self said:

If spiritual experience is to mean anything at all, LSD-25 and 5-MeO-DMT can provide it with great reliability ? 

Life changing or life re-contextualizing unveilings of God mind, especially cosmic oneness, ego-death, etc.

Psychedelics aren’t special — like anything else they can be spiritual/mystical experiences. Were you saying they were exempt from this? Not exactly claiming the opposite, I’m just wondering where you got that idea.

Granted, the word "spiritual" can be vague, and not everyone defines it the same.  For some it could be seeing a ghost, and for others it could be a sudden loss of ego mind.  I am really only concerned with the spiritual in the context of awakening to the Truth.

I have no doubt that some people have had life changing trips on psychedelics; there are plenty of reports to attest to it.  I also see no reason why people couldn't have legitimate spiritual awakenings while on drugs, but I don't see them as necessary or even as a better route.  This is only my opinion.  Obviously, other people feel differently about this subject.

As I define awakening, there must be the direct consciousness of absolute knowledge.  It has the flavor of remembering, and not so much of learning something new.  It appears as both obvious and completely certain.  Once seen, there is no way to doubt it.  It resembles the knowledge of "I" or one's own existence, but the knowledge in awakening is more complete, clear, and less limited.  

Awakening can be accompanied by so much varied phenomena (overwhelming love and gratitude, explosions of "energy", a complete sense of peace and wellbeing, etc), but as wonderful as these can be, they are temporary and often a distraction from the real value, which is the knowledge that has arisen.

[The0Self]

@Shambhu ? ? ? 

Edited December 31, 2021 by The0Self