Nothingness paradox and nothing becoming something

[Mixcoatl]

Hello there.

This is my first post on here. I'm currently having a lot of  doubts about existence. One of them is about nothingness and how the existence of nothingness is just a paradox (I also think that this is the most elemental paradox in the universe). I've been watching many times this Gura's video "why there is something rather than nothing" to understand a little bit more about the existence of everything. In some part of the video he says something like "what could prevent nothing to turn into something?... Nothing". Yes, I think I understand what does he mean but my question is: if there's nothingness, what could push nothing to turn into something? I mean, if there is absolute nothing (but nothingness) what would decide or have the initiative to turn nothing into something? Even more. If nothing can prevent nothing to turn into something, then. Do all the infinite possibilities of universes occur in nothingness? It would mean that all the infinite possible universes are occurring in this precise moment. am I right? I know this journey of self development takes years and probably for you this is a very basic question but in my journey I am very stuck with this issue. Please help me. 

Thanks a lot

[mandyjw]

What is a thought? Is a thought a nothing or a something? 

[Mixcoatl]

20 minutes ago, mandyjw said:

What is a thought? Is a thought a nothing or a something? 

I think I don't understand your answer

[mandyjw]

58 minutes ago, Mixcoatl said:

I think I don't understand your answer

Ah, well was it a question or an answer? I mean, I don't even know. 

[Mixcoatl]

1 hour ago, mandyjw said:

Ah, well was it a question or an answer? I mean, I don't even know. 

Yes, dude. You are the best

[The0Self]

Nothing does not become something; it never, ever becomes something. There’s no it; it’s not a thing. Nothing ever becomes anything, because what is true, does not change. Anything and everything are the same thing. Reality is real but not true. Everything is nothing. The universe is not the universe, but it is what it is (which is not the universe).

i.e. and not even that

[BipolarGrowth]

To unfortunately be even more confusing and seemingly unhelpful, the Truth of the situation is more precisely held in the statement that the answer is neither something nor nothing. Both of those poles of dualistic conception are rudimentary Homo Erectus scratchings on a forgotten cave wall compared to what actually is/isn’t. 
 

There is also no something which can prevent something from becoming nothing. Even something and nothing are really downplayed words of the more fundamental duality of Existence vs. Nonexistence or you could say Experience vs. Non-Experience. Furthermore, you could also say God vs. Nibbana (this is specifically referring to the definition of Nibbana which covers cessation as opposed to the waking life of one who is an Arahant). If anyone is sure of the absolute nature of one pole above the other, I can almost certainly guarantee you that they haven’t explored the true nature of their preferred pole far enough to be speaking with conviction in a accurate sense. 

 

Please do not look at your struggle to grasp the nature of these concepts and your questions as a basic or simple thing. The core of this goes back to the most advanced human beings who did not have a real understanding or answer then, do not have one now, and will never have one. Not only is this problem ungraspable, it is unreleasable. You’re doing a damn good job for even caring enough to ponder such a thing with serious intent, and it will get you far as you unravel it to find it even more raveled than before. 
 

If you’re interested to go deeper, I encourage you to spend an hour researching the Two Truths in Buddhism. Here is a link to start that: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_truths_doctrine

Feel free to shoot me a PM for discussion on this tasty treat of insight sustenance. 

Edited December 25, 2021 by BipolarGrowth

[Mixcoatl]

17 hours ago, BipolarGrowth said:

To unfortunately be even more confusing and seemingly unhelpful, the Truth of the situation is more precisely held in the statement that the answer is neither something nor nothing. Both of those poles of dualistic conception are rudimentary Homo Erectus scratchings on a forgotten cave wall compared to what actually is/isn’t. 
 

There is also no something which can prevent something from becoming nothing. Even something and nothing are really downplayed words of the more fundamental duality of Existence vs. Nonexistence or you could say Experience vs. Non-Experience. Furthermore, you could also say God vs. Nibbana (this is specifically referring to the definition of Nibbana which covers cessation as opposed to the waking life of one who is an Arahant). If anyone is sure of the absolute nature of one pole above the other, I can almost certainly guarantee you that they haven’t explored the true nature of their preferred pole far enough to be speaking with conviction in a accurate sense. 

 

Please do not look at your struggle to grasp the nature of these concepts and your questions as a basic or simple thing. The core of this goes back to the most advanced human beings who did not have a real understanding or answer then, do not have one now, and will never have one. Not only is this problem ungraspable, it is unreleasable. You’re doing a damn good job for even caring enough to ponder such a thing with serious intent, and it will get you far as you unravel it to find it even more raveled than before. 
 

If you’re interested to go deeper, I encourage you to spend an hour researching the Two Truths in Buddhism. Here is a link to start that: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_truths_doctrine

Feel free to shoot me a PM for discussion on this tasty treat of insight sustenance. 

Thanks all of you for these explanations. I've been reading them all the day trying to understand more about what you are saying. It makes me have more and more questions which is very good because I think questions and doubts are the beginning of this self development journey. 

And of course, I will read that article that you mentioned.

Sending much love from Mexico and thank you again!!