Kevin Samuels

[Etherial Cat]

2 hours ago, Raptorsin7 said:

No, but it's just a poor way to interact and develop a conversation. You basically tried to shame me into changing my view, without taking the time to actually engage with the points being made.

But there's no need to continue the discussion. Your point is taken.

I am shaming you for dehumanizing black women and for your arrogance. 

If you'd read multiple threads using your group as a scapegoat, would you think it is fair to have on top of suffering their ignorance having to debate them to prove your people are not the problem? What if you'd be repeatedly confronted to this type of situation and it would emotionally taxing on top of taking a lot of time away from your daily tasks?

I could spend my evening writing post on the content level, but seeing your previous entries on the matter, I am already aware you've got little understanding of systemic racism and sexism. And you don't seem to be particularly open-minded or interested in anything else than confirmation bias due to how you've replied to other members. For this reason, it's just been faster to skip the content and go straight to the point.

When you think about it, what black woman do is not your problem. Unless you are dating one, you should be working on yourself instead of trying to tell a group you've got no business with how they should behave. 

Black women in America are and have been at the receiving end of extreme social violence. There is an awful of trauma going on there. Advocating for stripping whatever power they've got like Kevin Samuels just reek of revengeful, insecure masculinity. Men in their Divine Masculine energy do not enjoy humiliating women, especially not marginalized one from their own community. But those with a disintegrated anima certainly do... 

Kevin Samuels and his ideas are not worth my time. Though, I am sure you capable of better than that which is why I suggest you to find another source as this guy, because he will NOT help you.

His whole audience is based on insecure men trying to bring down women because they feel deep within they are out of reach.

Edited December 30, 2021 by Etherial Cat

[something_else]

4 hours ago, Raptorsin7 said:

@Etherial Cat Nice attempt to shame me into changing my view rather engaging with the substance of what I'm writing. 

You would also be wise to learn what it means to be honest.

I don't hate black people or black woman in general. I hate the devils in the community that allow and perpetuate nonsense that serves no one.

Dude you missed the point. It's the same argument I was making which is that the content you are watching is not healthy to your well-being and you likely resonate with it for unhealthy reasons

The mind is great at coming up with rational reasons for why we enjoy certain things when in reality the content just satisfies some impulsive and likely unhealthy itch we have inside somewhere

I've had tons of these kinds of obsessions over the years and I still do. Everyone does this

[Raptorsin7]

Just now, Etherial Cat said:

I am shaming you for dehumanizing black women and for your arrogance. 

I am not dehumanizing black woman as a group. I'm calling out the specific behaviors and attitudes of a subset of the population. There are also problems with men, but they are different and this topic never gets addressed.

2 minutes ago, Etherial Cat said:

If you'd read multiple threads using your group as a scapegoat, would you think it is fair to have on top of suffering their ignorance having to debate them to prove your people are not the problem? What if you'd be repeatedly confronted to this type of situation and it would emotionally taxing on top of taking a lot of time away from your daily tasks?

The people i'm talking about literally are the problem. If you have a child out of wedlock and then decide the man you had a child with is no good and you want to trade up, and then you end up raising a child in a single family household. you really are the problem. Deflecting and obfuscating is not helping anyone.

3 minutes ago, Etherial Cat said:

I could spend my evening writing post on the content level, but seeing your previous entries on the matter, I am already aware you've got little understanding of systemic racism and sexism. And you don't seem to be particularly open-minded or interested in anything else than confirmation bias due to how you've replied to other members. For this reason, it's just been faster to skip the content and go straight to the point.

I am open to rationale dialogue. Not shaming and dismissing the entire topic.

3 minutes ago, Etherial Cat said:

When you think about it, what black woman do is not your problem. Unless you are dating one, you should be working on yourself instead of trying to tell a group you've got no business with how they should behave. 

It absolutely is my problem. I live in the world, and those issues are at the forefront of a culture war that has the united states on the brink of civil war. 

5 minutes ago, Etherial Cat said:

Black women in America are and have been at the receiving end of extreme social violence. There is an awful of trauma going on there. Advocating for stripping whatever power they've got like Kevin Samuel just reek of revengeful, insecure masculinity. Men in their Divine Masculine energy do not enjoy humiliating women, especially not marginalized one from their own community. But those with a disintegrated anima certainly does...

You have no idea what you're talking about with divine masculinity. Nice spiritual bypassing.

Not addressing a culture of rampant single motherhood and misandry is madness. There's plenty to disagree with Kevin Samuels about, but you aren't even acknowledging the root issue he is addressing.

There is a huge % of woman who call into his show who have children by a man, decide that man isn't worth committing to and salvaging the relationship, and then go on to create a single family household with no father figure. Those children are fucked, they don't even have a fighting chance without a 2 parent household. This is so fundamental and integral to the issues facing black america, and you don't have the integrity to engage with it.  

[Etherial Cat]

@Raptorsin7

Dude, you're talking about stuff you had probably no idea about before discovering Kevin Samuel. 

I'm not arguing on the same level as you here; I am actually black while you aren't. So I've got first hand experience on the matter.

Your level of delusion here is unfortunately very high, so I'll quit.

One would assume that after being called out by several people and having your last thread locked by moderator for sexism and racism, you'd get the modesty to reconsider your perspective but it seems like it won't be enough.

[Raptorsin7]

15 minutes ago, Etherial Cat said:

@Raptorsin7

Dude, you're talking about stuff you had probably no idea about before discovering Kevin Samuel. 

I'm not arguing on the same level as you here; I am actually black while you aren't. So I've got first hand experience on the matter.

Your level of delusion here is unfortunately very high, so I'll quit.

One would assume that after being called out by several people and having your last thread locked by moderator for sexism and racism, you'd get the modesty to reconsider your perspective but it seems like it won't be enough.

This forum is full of dishonest people. I am not going to base my values and assessment of truth on what they have to say.

And the fact that you are black doesn't automatically mean you are correct about the topic. That is such a nonsense point.

Edited December 30, 2021 by Raptorsin7

[zazen]

1 hour ago, something_else said:

Dude you missed the point. It's the same argument I was making which is that the content you are watching is not healthy to your well-being and you likely resonate with it for unhealthy reasons

The mind is great at coming up with rational reasons for why we enjoy certain things when in reality the content just satisfies some impulsive and likely unhealthy itch we have inside somewhere

I've had tons of these kinds of obsessions over the years and I still do. Everyone does this

So lets rationally critique and break down the content. Facts aren't healthy or unhealthy the just are, our interpretation/feelings of them makes it so. Equally unhealthy is to not look at data, stats and to try figure cause/effect and ultimately solutions to problems in society. 

[Etherial Cat]

2 hours ago, Raptorsin7 said:

This forum is full of dishonest people. I am not going to base my values and assessment of truth on what they have to say.

And the fact that you are black doesn't automatically mean you are correct about the topic. That is such a nonsense point.

The point is that as a black person, I have cultural knowledge and mileage within the black community which far exceed yours. How many hours of black content and experience have you been going through your entire life?

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By what metrics are Blacks as a group more successful and prospering then ever? 

Single motherhood, incarceration rates, violence and incarceration, wealth gap, etc. It seems like most of the metrics by which you assess the strength of a community show Black America is worse off now than any time since the end of slavery.

I'm quoting you from the other thread. 

How can you possibly write down stuff like that and think we can take you seriously?

Edited December 30, 2021 by Etherial Cat

[Raptorsin7]

16 minutes ago, Etherial Cat said:

I'm quoting you from the other thread. 

How can you possibly write down stuff like that and think we can take you seriously?

Why don't you address the point rather than engage in ridicule?

In many ways there has been progress but when you look at the foundations of the community it's objectively worse off. Crime, single motherhood, wealth gap are all substantially worse off now then they were 30 years ago for example. Why don't you address that point?

You are literally seeing one side of the issue and then burying your head in the sand to the other side. 

16 minutes ago, Etherial Cat said:

The point is that as a black person, I have cultural knowledge and mileage within the black community which far exceed yours. How many hours of black content and experience have you been going through your entire life?

You think because you're black that gives you some authority on the truth of what's being said. That is nonsense.

This why I'm asking you to engage on specific points of issue. So we can address the point rather than you engaging in gate keeping.

 

Edited December 30, 2021 by Raptorsin7

[Etherial Cat]

6 minutes ago, Raptorsin7 said:

You think because you're black that gives you some authority on the truth of what's being said. That is nonsense.

 

I'm also an academic who studied political sciences in college before graduating from law school. So I attended a fair amount of lecture on the subject on top of reading extensively about the topic.

But I am curious on knowing what makes you trust so much in your own authority?

[Consept]

14 minutes ago, Raptorsin7 said:

In many ways there has been progress but when you look at the foundations of the community it's objectively worse off. Crime, single motherhood, wealth gap are all substantially worse off now then they were 30 years ago for example. Why don't you address that point?

Black people, by many metrics have been progressing and are doing much better than they were, a lot of people in the community usually don't want to hear that but it's true. People like Coleman Hughes for example talk about this and are usually not looked upon favourably. Heres article about how much progress - https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.brookings.edu/articles/black-progress-how-far-weve-come-and-how-far-we-have-to-go/amp/

But yeah this is a complex issue and I think a criticism of KS is that he seems to cherry pick certain points that keep his narrative going, he doesn't acknowledge the progress really and this can make the situation look a lot worse than it is. 

[Raptorsin7]

17 minutes ago, Consept said:

Black people, by many metrics have been progressing and are doing much better than they were, a lot of people in the community usually don't want to hear that but it's true. People like Coleman Hughes for example talk about this and are usually not looked upon favourably. Heres article about how much progress

Okay that's a fair point. I think speaking too broadly about whether they have progressed or regressed may be too narrow. So it's probably better to address specific issues.

I think the issue of single motherhood and the relationship between black men and black woman is something that has regressed, and without addressing this regression, the community will continue to struggle and then people will continue to lay blame on alternative factors that avoids the heart of the issue. There cannot be a transition from sd red to blue without intact families and healthy upbringing for children, but the issues that are directly affecting this transition are not discussed. 

I want an honest conversation about all relevant issues and I never see these kinds of points brought up in a meaningful way when I hear popular leftist or centrist political commentators or people discuss these issues.

Edited December 31, 2021 by Raptorsin7

[Raptorsin7]

17 minutes ago, Etherial Cat said:

I'm also an academic who studied political sciences in college before graduating from law school. So I attended a fair amount of lecture on the subject on top of reading extensively about the topic.

But I am curious on knowing what makes you trust so much in your own authority?

Okay. First, I want to apologize for my tone through this discourse.  I got carried away with righteous indignation and I could have handled these conversations in a way more positive manner. I deserved to be called out.

I mainly take issue with the fact that whenever I hear discussions about the black community in political spaces, reddit, the forum etc I never see an analysis that acknowledges that yes black people have been terrorized by racism and that accounts for a lot of the issues in the community, but also there are uncomfortable truths like the relationship between the welfare state and rise of single motherhood that has directly contributed to many of the problems facing the community. 

[Etherial Cat]

13 hours ago, Raptorsin7 said:

Okay. First, I want to apologize for my tone through this discourse.  I got carried away with righteous indignation and I could have handled these conversations in a way more positive manner. I deserved to be called out.

No problem, apologies accepted. 

13 hours ago, Raptorsin7 said:

I mainly take issue with the fact that whenever I hear discussions about the black community in political spaces, reddit, the forum etc I never see an analysis that acknowledges that yes black people have been terrorized by racism and that accounts for a lot of the issues in the community, but also there are uncomfortable truths like the relationship between the welfare state and rise of single motherhood that has directly contributed to many of the problems facing the community. 

These aren't uncomfortable truths, but talking points designed first and foremost to blame the black community and especially black women for what is another consequence of systemic racism and intergenerational traumas. 

[Consept]

54 minutes ago, Etherial Cat said:

These aren't uncomfortable truths, but talking points designed first and foremost to blame the black community and especially black women for what is another consequence of systemic racism and intergenerational traumas. 

I hear you in that the is racism and trauma but the solution is not necessarily about blame. I see it as accepting this is the reality and taking responsibility for behaviors that are accuring because of these past atrocities. 

It's like if you were bullied as a kid and it causes you to make bad decisions, is focusing on the bully going to help you or is working on yourself and becoming aware of the negative actions you make and why, then improving yourself? 

[Etherial Cat]

1 minute ago, Consept said:

I hear you in that the is racism and trauma but the solution is not necessarily about blame. I see it as accepting this is the reality and taking responsibility for behaviors that are accuring because of these past atrocities. 

It's like if you were bullied as a kid and it causes you to make bad decisions, is focusing on the bully going to help you or is working on yourself and becoming aware of the negative actions you make and why, then improving yourself? 

Right...

But that's the question of how do we articulate between individual responsibility and collective responsibilty in general. And I'm making here a specific point about how black women are being scapegoated.

So your comment is not very welcome on my end, because you are creating a second issue for me to debate. Imagine trying to explain systemic racism to someone and being done explaining why black male are subject to a high incarceration rate, when someone comes and give fuel for more work for you bringing this kind of issues.