Unconditional happiness

[mandyjw]

4 hours ago, Someone here said:

@mandyjw @Natasha

are you unconditionally happy in your life or do you believe that circumstances need to go your way in order for you to be happy? 

If I believe I posess a "life", then that's already a conditional circumstance. Posessing a life is a dead and fixed idea, being life, ever now is not weighed down by ideas of opposites, the possibility of loss of what it is or a need to secure anything for the one who owns this life. Happiness is a lack of thoughts that claim otherwise. You can claim happiness is caused by something and limit it by saying you know what it is, but then you'll just have an idea of happiness not the actuality. 

Edited December 18, 2021 by mandyjw

[Javfly33]

55 minutes ago, Nahm said:

@Javfly33

Because you are Good. 

What is Good? ?

[Nahm]

@Javfly33

It’s like a red carpet… 

What is a self referential thought. 

[Gesundheit2]

There's no absolute unconditional happiness. That's just a fairy tale. You will suffer every once in a while no matter how enlightened you are. But you can actually always minimize the suffering such that it virtually stops existing.

If you're familiar with the mathematical concept of approaching zero, it's exactly like that. Imagine the current state of an imaginary person to be (99% ego and 1% "not-ego"). Now this person decided to do spiritual work to purify himself until the two percentages shifted in opposition. His state is now (1% ego and 99% not-ego). The not-ego part becomes automatically irrelevant now, as there is no more work that needs to be done there. But the remaining 1% ego can be now viewed as a new (99% ego and 1% not-ego). And so on, until that person reaches some super enlightened state that has the least amount of ego possible, which still can be divided into (99% and 1%) once again to infinity if you want.

In short, you can't eliminate the ego completely as long as you're alive, so you can't eliminate the suffering. But what you can do is you can always remove layers of the ego, and therefore decrease the degree and frequency of suffering.

Edited December 18, 2021 by Gesundheit2

[Zeroguy]

1 hour ago, Nahm said:

@Javfly33

Because you are Good. 

Guess I am .Always was.

[Flowerfaeiry]

12 hours ago, Someone here said:

so enlightened people still feel sad and grief when things do not go their way? 

Of course.

The most enlightened people feel extremely deeply. Look at Leo, even. How he tears up when talking about God. 

There’s this idea in enlightenment that you are unaffected by pain and pleasure. Which is why people becoming attracted to enlightenment because it promises a relief from the difficulties of life.  
 

But pseudo-enlightenment is nothing more than spiritual bypassing. 
 

A truly enlightened being really feels their pain. 

[kag101]

16 hours ago, Flowerfaeiry said:

So I’m actually going to say that the more enlightened you are, the more you allow your heart to break open by grief. You feel more deeply and are touched by life more intensely.

Being enlightened isn’t a state of ignorance toward pain but rather a full integration of it so there are no points where it gets stuck.

Pain does not equal suffering. An enlightened person feels pain very deeply.

Yes! This idea some people have of being unconditionally happy is ludicrous.

I'd also add that an enlightened person goes through the grieving process, but just stay there as long as it is necessary.

 

[The0Self]

Unconditional-happiness as well as uncontrived-compassion are concepts that point to the unrecognizable perfection that is everything already.

[Someone here]

So can we actually be unconditionally happy despite the circumstances or do we need certain things to be happy? 

[Breakingthewall]

8 hours ago, Flowerfaeiry said:

The most enlightened people feel extremely deeply. Look at Leo, even. How he tears up when talking about God. 

Who are this people? there are very few enlightened people in the world, they are an anomaly. Leo says that he is not enlightened. He has psychedelic-forced enlightenment moments, and he has tried pretty tenaciously to make the enlightenment permanent using them, but it hasn't happened.