My first time doing Datura(Wrightii 1 seed)

[tlowedajuicemayne]

On 12/17/2021 at 5:35 PM, JuliusCaesar said:

If you want to experience God realization, or if you want to use a drug recreationally(which I think is stupid, though others using it that way is mostly how I know of it's effects). Then Datura is MOST CERTAINLY NOT FOR YOU. The plant is like pure death, only one seriously desiring to expand their mind beyond it's ordinary limitations(like a Shaman) should ever even consider it. And even then it might not be a good choice due to the great danger that comes with doing it.

and lemme guess, you're describing yourself when you say this? lol

[JuliusCaesar]

22 minutes ago, tlowedajuicemayne said:

and lemme guess, you're describing yourself when you say this? lol

Well from an absolute perspective it's impossible for me not to(as I'm everything and thus everyone). But in a more dualistic sense I was intending my warnings for others, not for myself. As at the time I thought it was possible to microdose Datura consistently without eventually macrodosing(something I now know is unlikely or even impossible).

 

@Loba You mentioned your guide revealed to you that these plants were put here by aliens(sentient beings from other dimensions)? It would seem there's a great deal of substation for that notion. I mean, what's ostensibly the most powerful mind altering substance and also reasonably toxic(Datura) is fully legal practically everywhere? And what's probably the second most powerful substance(Salvia Divinorum) is legal in many places(at the federal level here in the states, and in almost half of the individual states). Those facts alone reek of powerful influence by someone(potentially otherworldly, certainly mightier than your average mortal). The only alternative is that government officials are insane and stupid(as they ban far less potent, less toxic substances so ostentatiously). Which seems more likely to you?

 

Not to mention the fact that practically everything about Salvia Divinorum seems utterly impossible and ridiculous(from the perspective of your typical ordinary person). From it's effects on human consciousness, to even the most trivial facts about the plant. Like the fact that Indians who are credited as having discovered it have no name for it in their native language(they call it Ojas de la Pastora, which is Spanish for eyes of the Shepherdess). Now nevermind the fact that the Mazatec Indians have been under Catholic occupation for the last few centuries, and that there is no such thing a Shepherdess in Catholicism. The larger issue is why do they name it in the language of their conquerors and not in their own language? Their Shamans have evidently been using it for occult reasons for a great deal of time now. For a culture to have something like this they use so prolifically and not have a name for it in their own language seems utterly impossible. That'd be like if Americans had no name for Coca Cola in English, imagine how absurd that would be. Archaeologists have asked their Shamans why this is(as it's rather peculiar). And the response they gave is nothing short of mind boggling. Apparently the plant is new so they haven't had time to give it a name(like that makes any sense). It's as if one day the plant fell out of the sky into a ravine, and some Shaman was told by an otherworldly being(the Shepherdess) to go eat the leaves.

[Danioover9000]

@JuliusCaesar    So, so far from what I red, you're juggling your trip reports with Datura use, and lucid dreaming attempts, and developing siddhis/chakras, and maybe life purpose and other techniques? My intuition could be wrong, but it's feeling a bit dangerous if you're juggling all these. Maybe for example you are better off contemplating, while micro dosing Datura, and instead of waiting for a week, wait for 2 weeks or a month before the next use, and focus on contemplating on what you actually experienced inside the trip. Maybe copy Leo and write notes on posters or your phone about insights from the trip while safely tripping? It sounds like you're better off re-prioritizing exactly where you're time, energy and focus should be.

   It's all reminding me of when I was in high school. Couldn't be decisive, can't stick to one interesting field and I ended up hopping all over the place, leaping from subject to subject randomly while mostly playing video games and chess.

   

[JuliusCaesar]

15 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@JuliusCaesar    So, so far from what I red, you're juggling your trip reports with Datura use, and lucid dreaming attempts, and developing siddhis/chakras, and maybe life purpose and other techniques? My intuition could be wrong, but it's feeling a bit dangerous if you're juggling all these. Maybe for example you are better off contemplating, while micro dosing Datura, and instead of waiting for a week, wait for 2 weeks or a month before the next use, and focus on contemplating on what you actually experienced inside the trip. Maybe copy Leo and write notes on posters or your phone about insights from the trip while safely tripping? It sounds like you're better off re-prioritizing exactly where you're time, energy and focus should be.

   It's all reminding me of when I was in high school. Couldn't be decisive, can't stick to one interesting field and I ended up hopping all over the place, leaping from subject to subject randomly while mostly playing video games and chess.

   

Well, if you read my post a little ways up I clearly decided not to do Datura anymore(possibly a permanent decision). But as to not being decisive, I have somewhat struggled with that. I know what I want, the problem is there are many ways of getting there. And of all the ways I'm aware of, it seems discipline/repetitive action is the ingredient that makes it work. That's not so much the case with certain mind altering substances however(because of how powerful they are). The problem I have with Datura is that I now can tell I'm likely to wind up doing far too much(because it gives you the urge to redose when you do it). And as such, it's pretty much impossible to microdose it. Oh well, for now I'm going the route of specialized meditation to acquire certain abilities(something I've done in the past with undeniable sucess, just not at the level I need as I didn't do it enough). In the future it's conceivable that I might use substances in a shamanic context. But I assume it'll probably be Peyote or Salvia or even Psilocybin, it's not likely to be Datura.

[Danioover9000]

@JuliusCaesar

1 hour ago, JuliusCaesar said:

Well, if you read my post a little ways up I clearly decided not to do Datura anymore(possibly a permanent decision). But as to not being decisive, I have somewhat struggled with that. I know what I want, the problem is there are many ways of getting there. And of all the ways I'm aware of, it seems discipline/repetitive action is the ingredient that makes it work. That's not so much the case with certain mind altering substances however(because of how powerful they are). The problem I have with Datura is that I now can tell I'm likely to wind up doing far too much(because it gives you the urge to redose when you do it). And as such, it's pretty much impossible to microdose it. Oh well, for now I'm going the route of specialized meditation to acquire certain abilities(something I've done in the past with undeniable sucess, just not at the level I need as I didn't do it enough). In the future it's conceivable that I might use substances in a shamanic context. But I assume it'll probably be Peyote or Salvia or even Psilocybin, it's not likely to be Datura.

   Ok then. I didn't mean to come off mean, but for something like Datura it's not affordable to be indecisive. To me, if I used it, I'm serious with wanting to know the reality that Datura shows, or if I'm not, I'm not using Datura. Yes, it's a black and white thinking, but it's sometimes necessary to be bilateral when dealing with substances that alter consciousness.

   And good luck developing siddhis through specialized meditation! or mastery lucid dreaming? Which one?

   

[JuliusCaesar]

12 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

Ok then. I didn't mean to come off mean

It's all good, I just don't like it when I have to repeat myself.

 

12 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

but for something like Datura it's not affordable to be indecisive.

That's the truth, since microdosing is basically impossible(I guess if you had a sober sitter which could be a medical professional monitoring you, the risk of redosing would fall to 0). So I'm technically wrong in thinking microdosing is impossible, I just mean that it seems impossible without having others watch you like a hawk. In any event, you kind of do either need to go balls to the wall with it or don't do it at all(because you get little if any benefit from doing the lowest possible dose).

 

17 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

To me, if I used it, I'm serious with wanting to know the reality that Datura shows, or if I'm not, I'm not using Datura. Yes, it's a black and white thinking, but it's sometimes necessary to be bilateral when dealing with substances that alter consciousness.

If you told me that just yesterday, I'd have accused you of oversimplifying matters. But now I realize there's more validity to that perspective than I initially thought.

 

You know it's funny, as I've thought more about my decision to shy away from Datura, the more I've thought up ways to expand my harm reduction practice. It amazes me that I didn't realize sooner that you could simply give a person some Datura(probably a fairly substantial dose) then pump their stomach a few hours later. And they'd have all the consciousness altering effects of the chemicals without most of the medical downside(I've consistently found in trip reports that people continue hallucinating for about two days after having their stomach pumped). Now, that procedure probably isn't suitable to my ownself(or really most anyone who isn't doing this sort of thing in a lab). So consumption of liquid activated charcoal about an hour after Datura administration to neutralize the toxins would be advisable(and I'm dumbfounded I didn't realize that sooner). Oh well, at the end of the day I don't know how to account for the possibility of the redose effect causing me to overdose. So none of this changes my mind about my decision to avoid Datura mind you. But it makes me realize that it's possible to make Datura consumption medically safe. Which is something that is potentially worth studying in a more scientific capacity.

 

24 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

And good luck developing siddhis through specialized meditation! or mastery lucid dreaming? Which one?

It's a bit difficult to answer that, the simplest way would be all at once. But a more detailed explanation goes like this. I know from firsthand experience that Remote Viewing(basically Omniscience) is easier to do/acquire than Remote Influencing(basically Omnipotence). So I'm going to develop Remote Viewing hopefully to a high level of competency(that's predicated upon how disciplined I am). And then I'll basically use my ability to find the best way forward for a human endeavoring to be Omnipotent. I'll also be doing things like hitting the lottery on purpose(once my ability is sufficiently honed for that to be possible) along the way. As well as testing myself in other ways to ensure that I'm actually doing the practice properly.