What is the fundamental reasons humans can feel Lonely?

[Javfly33]

Of course if you are 100% God Realized then you have accepted loneliness after coming to peace with the fact that others are an hallucination of your own mind.

BUT, for everybody else which still operate within the illusion rules, WHY a lot of people seem to be in less suffering/more entertained when they are talking or being with people?

Why i cant entertain myself looking at a coffee table and feel "united"/complete/understood? 

Why the human flesh is special? 

Its simply because when you Talk or be with people the mind slows down, just like any other activity, or is there a more profound reason?

When i am Alone at my room and i Talk with people, even through the internet, seems the loneliness fades a little bit.

Why i am scared of this loneliness? Why I dont like It?

And Also, if talking to people really doesnt unite you with them (non duality, which you really seek) why we seek It? Our bodies will always be separated, why talking or being close to some human flesh is "less Lonely"?

Edited December 15, 2021 by Javfly33

[halfknots]

Why would there be a reason for that? For anything? You can let go of reasons.

[Breakingthewall]

the human is social, without the tribe he is nothing, he is incomplete, somehow dead. almost no human in the world survives without the help of others. the ego is a social entity, formed on the basis of attachment / rejection. even a buddha prefers company to total solitude. You may seek complete isolation to realize yourself, but when you are no longer seeking, you prefer the wealth of the company. 

[Javfly33]

12 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

the human is social, without the tribe he is nothing, he is incomplete, somehow dead. almost no human in the world survives without the help of others. the ego is a social entity, formed on the basis of attachment / rejection. even a buddha prefers company to total solitude. You may seek complete isolation to realize yourself, but when you are no longer seeking, you prefer the wealth of the company. 

I agree But isn't that just a kinda circular answer?

I get that we are social But why existencially we look for Love in humans?

Why Dont look for Love in a coffee table or a chair?

[Tyler Durden]

Maybe the main reason you imagined other people is to feel less lonely so you naturally tend to socialise with them to forget about that.

[Nahm]

14 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

Of course if you are 100% God Realized then you have accepted loneliness after coming to peace with the fact that others are an hallucination of your own mind.

The conjecture of solipsistic spiritual ego is now conditioning via one’s own spiritual bypassing. 

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BUT, for everybody else which still operate within the illusion rules, WHY a lot of people seem to be in less suffering/more entertained when they are talking or being with people?

The absence of said conditioning, conjecture & bypassing. 

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Why i cant entertain myself looking at a coffee table and feel "united"/complete/understood? 

Increasing conditioning with conjecture via adopting concept vs inspecting what is actual and liberating of the concepts, ideas & beliefs. 

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Why the human flesh is special? 

Its simply because when you Talk or be with people the mind slows down, just like any other activity, or is there a more profound reason?

When i am Alone at my room and i Talk with people, even through the internet, seems the loneliness fades a little bit.

Why i am scared of this loneliness? Why I dont like It?

The conditioning & conjecture is discordant but rather than being inspected and dispelled, it’s being justified with an additional belief in some thing called “loneliness”. There isn’t ‘that thing’, there’s the the thoughts and how the thoughts feel, but the feeling is denied while the thoughts & concepts are believed. 

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And Also, if talking to people really doesnt unite you with them (non duality, which you really seek) why we seek It? Our bodies will always be separated, why talking or being close to some human flesh is "less Lonely"?

No separation is already the case, it is the divisive separative thoughts which aren’t resonating. Maybe you’re feeling the momentary relief from your own beliefs. Without any of these beliefs there isn’t any of this discord. You’re trying to make it fit, let it go instead. 

[Tim R]

12 minutes ago, Nahm said:

14 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

Of course if you are 100% God Realized then you have accepted loneliness after coming to peace with the fact that others are an hallucination of your own mind.

The conjecture of solipsistic spiritual ego is now conditioning via one’s own spiritual bypassing. 

@Nahm I'm not sure what you mean by this?

[Nahm]

@Tim R

Weird question .  I’m not sure if you’re sure either. 

 

[Tim R]

 

@Nahm Seriously tho, what did you mean by "conjecture of solipsistic spiritual ego is now conditioning via one’s own spiritual bypassing"? Explain it to me like I'm stupid.

[Nahm]

@Tim R ? 

6 minutes ago, Tim R said:

Explain it to me like I'm stupid.

That’d be more of the same though. 

 

[Tim R]

Maybe that's what I want? And maybe that's what you already gave to OP?

But if not, that's fine too

[Guest EmptyVase]

@Tim R

I'm not sure either, but I wanna have a try.

Conjecture of solipsistic spiritual ego is an assumption - assuming that thoughts, such as, "I am alone in this universe" are true. But of course, a cake, and the thought of a cake, are not the same (well, in a sense, they are, but for sake of communication I'll just go with that they aren't the same).

Assumptions arise because you're conditioned to assume that certain beliefs are true, especially within spirituality, because you're told that spiritual teachings point to truth. Of course they do, but there is an important distinction to be made here: believing the truth of spiritual teachings (thinking/belief/conditioning/spiritual ego) vs. inspecting the truth of spiritual teachings (actuality/untangling/peeling back the onion). The actuality of the thought that you are alone in this universe feels terrible and separated. The actuality of the actuality of truth (lol) feels amazing, because it is truth, it is love, and most certainly not a belief of being separate, or whatever else you belied with solipsistic thoughts. Aloneness is all-one-ness, which is melting in pure fucking wholeness and interconnectedness. And that's why service to others feels so good, when it's coming from a place of compassion.

The spiritual bypassing would be not listening to your emotions, bypassing them, by, again, believing spiritual narratives. It's also a bypassing of the natural wellbeing that you are, by not letting discordant thoughts go (clinging to narratives).

And now, connect the dots, and you get the sentence: "The conjecture of solipsistic spiritual ego is now conditioning via one’s own spiritual bypassing."

But of course, I have no idea. Lol.

[Nahm]

@Javfly33

To me it seems like talking to you like you’re stupid is a ‘color’ added after the fact, but nonetheless if I came accross that way to you I do sincerely apologize. It was certainly not meant that way. Quite the opposite. More of a let the discordant beliefs & perspectives go altogether and think for yourself so to speak intention. Look for love within yourself. 

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Tim R said:

 

@Nahm Seriously tho, what did you mean by "conjecture of solipsistic spiritual ego is now conditioning via one’s own spiritual bypassing"? Explain it to me like I'm stupid.

It's impossible to understand ?. You read it and think: ufff it's too  deep for my understanding, i give up. But really it's a tongue twister

[Nahm]

41 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's impossible to understand

41 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

i give up.

[Breakingthewall]

3 hours ago, Tim R said:

 

@Nahm 

 

Solipist Spiritual Ego Conjecture: ok, the idea about oneself acquired after spiritually realizing that you are god, the only existing existence, etc.

now he is conditioning through his own spiritual bypassing: he is now proposing possibilities based on the deviant concept, like any concept, that others are a hallucination ... for example. 

[Zeroguy]

@Nahm Togetherness as One?

[Nahm]

@Zeroguy

Sounds toxic. 

[Zeroguy]

12 minutes ago, Nahm said:

@Zeroguy

Sounds toxic. 

Sounds like True Love. 

[Gregory1]

13 minutes ago, Zeroguy said:

Sounds like True Love. 

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