Omicron Is Coming

[Carl-Richard]

34 minutes ago, BlackPhil said:

I'm not questioning peoples general fear of death.

Oh my bad. I've seen people actually do that here from a sort of quasi-spiritual perspective ("death is not a bad thing") as an argument against vaccinations, so I was interpreting it as that.

[BlackPhil]

44 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

Perhaps that could be a flaw of mine. However, what most people on this forum don't like about what you're doing is that you're contributing to the spread of misinformation and creating more unnecessary division. We all have a collective responsibility to unite together against this deadly virus by following what the vast majority of the top scientists and medical doctors who are the best specialists for this matter have all agreed on.

Those guys you mentioned including Robert Malone and Peter McCullough represent only a small strange amount of corrupt scientists and doctors who are lying because they are the ones who have some kind of selfish political and business agendas of their own.

What exactly of what I've been saying has been misinformation? Please be specific.

If I see that you, collectively, have been led astray and are uniting (like one huge cult) based upon, what my research and intuition has shown me is false information, manipulation through fear and mindcontrol, then I'm gonna question this like any sane person would. If you personally still refuse to entertain different ideas then that's up to you.

Yeah that's the words they try to use in order to discredit these very prominent scientists. The only thing they infact have gotten from speaking out about this has been character assassination, risking their careers aswell as being ridiculed. Not really the things you would strive after if your goal is selfish, political/business agendas, do you think?

Edited December 16, 2021 by BlackPhil

[BlackPhil]

21 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Oh my bad. I've seen people actually do that here from a sort of quasi-spiritual perspective ("death is not a bad thing") as an argument against vaccinations, so I was interpreting it as that.

All good. 

[BlackPhil]

26 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

Perhaps that could be a flaw of mine. However, what most people on this forum don't like about what you're doing is that you're contributing to the spread of misinformation and creating more unnecessary division. We all have a collective responsibility to unite together against this deadly virus by following what the vast majority of the top scientists and medical doctors who are the best specialists for this matter have all agreed on.

Those guys you mentioned including Robert Malone and Peter McCullough represent only a small strange amount of corrupt scientists and doctors who are lying because they are the ones who have some kind of selfish political and business agendas of their own.

You only have to look at history aswell as read some psychology. The majority/masses rarely have the wisest opinions and have over and over again been drawn into these kinds of collective-madness's. 

[Hardkill]

25 minutes ago, BlackPhil said:

What exactly of what I've been saying has been misinformation? Please be specific.

If I see that you, collectively, have been led astray and are uniting (like one huge cult) based upon, what my research and intuition has shown me, is false information, manipulation through fear and mindcontrol, then I'm gonna question this like any sane person would. If you personally still refuse to entertain different ideas then that's up to you.

Yeah that's the words they try to use in order to discredit these very prominent scientists. The only thing they infact have gotten from speaking out about this has been character assassination, risking their careers aswell as being ridiculed. Not really the things you would strive after if your goal is selfish, political/business agendas, do you think?

Yeah that's the words that these very "prominent scientists" try to use in order to discredit the real legit prominent scientists. 

21 minutes ago, BlackPhil said:

You only have to look at history aswell as read some psychology. The majority/masses rarely have the wisest opinions and have over and over again been drawn into these kinds of collective-madness's. 

No, this is a faulty logic. Yes, the majority/masses rarely have the wisest opinions. Most people in this world are not above average overall intelligence. The elite intellectuals of the world who are of sound mind and have the greatest level of compassion are the ones who are able to form the wisest opinions in the world. All of the top medical scientists and doctors in the world who have agreed that these COVID vaccines are absolutely vital are some of the elites of the world who are well above the majority/masses of the world.

Edited December 16, 2021 by Hardkill

[BlackPhil]

10 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

Yeah that's the words that these very "prominent scientists" try to use in order to discredit the real legit prominent scientists. 

No, this is a faulty logic. Yes, the majority/masses rarely have the wisest opinions. Most people in this world are not above average overall intelligence. The elite intellectuals of the world who are of sound mind and have the greatest level of compassion are the ones who are able to form the wisest opinions in the world. All of the top medical scientists and doctors in the world who have agreed that these COVID vaccines are absolutely vital are some of the elites of the world.

If you think that the "elite intellectuals" (infact it's more the richest, most powerful people and companies who pull the strings) have the greatest levels of compassion I genuinely feel sorry for you. I can inform you that most of these people look upon the masses as nothing more than useless eaters and rats. They mainly care about their own profit and power. This has been the case through most of human history. Power and money attracts psychopaths and narcissists.

It's unfortunately not yogis running the world my friend.

Edited December 16, 2021 by BlackPhil

[Johnny Galt]

2 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

All of the top medical scientists and doctors in the world who have agreed that these COVID vaccines are absolutely vital are some of the elites of the world.

Let me guess, Hardkill has done a survey. 

 

 

[Hardkill]

1 minute ago, BlackPhil said:

If you think that the "elite intellectuals" (infact it's more the richest, most powerful people who pull the strings) have the greatest levels of compassion I genuinely feel sorry for you. I can inform you that most of these people look upon the masses as nothing more than useless eaters and rats. They mainly care about their own profit and power. This has been the case through most of human history.

It's unfortunately not yogis running the world my friend.

Dude! Most of the elite intellectuals of the world are not rich and almost all of them don't have that much of an interest in political or economic power like tons of business people and politicians do. You think that someone like Fauci is super rich or has much interest in having as much political or economic power as possible? If you believe that then I genuinely feel sorry for you.

Do you think that other intellectuals such as Albert Einstein or Noam Chomsky care or cared about their own profit and power? No! They genuinely care about improving our world.

[BlackPhil]

1 minute ago, Hardkill said:

You think that someone like Fauci is super rich or has much interest in having as much political or economic power as possible? 

Do you think that other intellectuals such as Albert Einstein or Noam Chomsky care or cared about their own profit and power? No! They genuinely care about improving our world.

Even you must have noticed how many times people like Fauci now has provided faulty information, changed his opinion and simply lied?

Some of the scientists I mentioned are even more qualified than Fauci to speak about this. Yet the media choose their specific icons/demigods that get all the space while censoring everyone else. It's just the same in my country, we have our own "Fauci" who has also been wrong about just as many things. Still he's almost the only one who get any space in the media while virologs and doctors of a different opinion all have been silenced.

Don't you think it's time to see through this charade soon?

[Hardkill]

1 minute ago, BlackPhil said:

Even you must have noticed how many times people like Fauci now has provided faulty information, changed his opinion and simply lied?

Some of the scientists I mentioned are even more qualified than Fauci to speak about this. Yet the media choose their specific icons/demigods that get all the space while censoring everyone else. It's just the same in my country, we have our own "Fauci" who has also been wrong about just as many things. Still he's almost the only one who get any space in the media while virologs and doctors of a different opinion all have been silenced.

Don't you think it's time to see through this charade soon?

Fauci didn't lie. Like science, his information on this virus had to evolve especially considering how new it was to all of us during the end of 2019 and beginning of 2020.

Yet, you're the one who looks up to guys like Robert Malone as an icon/demigod who cannot be questioned. You also have been brainwashed by all of the toxic right wing conspiracy theories on this issue. I've heard all of these theories before and they are the ones who have provided faulty information, changed their opinions and blatantly lied to us just like Trump did all because these right wingers are trying to promote political and business agenda because they have been totally corrupted by money and power. 

Don't you think it's time to see through their charades?

[BlackPhil]

12 hours ago, Hardkill said:

Fauci didn't lie. Like science, his information on this virus had to evolve especially considering how new it was to all of us during the end of 2019 and beginning of 2020.

Yet, you're the one who looks up to guys like Robert Malone as an icon/demigod who cannot be questioned. You also have been brainwashed by all of the toxic right wing conspiracy theories on this issue. I've heard all of these theories before and they are the ones who have provided faulty information, changed their opinions and blatantly lied to us just like Trump did all because these right wingers are trying to promote political and business agenda because they have been totally corrupted by money and power. 

Don't you think it's time to see through their charades?

This has nothing to do with left or right. I'm definitely not right wing. I stand as an observer and try to see both sides. You're falling for the divide and conquer tactics that are being used against us, oldest trick in the book. If its not left vs right it's black vs white or man vs woman. Latest thing is "vaxx" vs "anti-vaxx". Can't believe peoples foolishness tbh.

Anyways I need to sleep. Not gonna debate more for now.

 

Edited December 16, 2021 by BlackPhil

[hoodrow trillson]

Okay, say I’m just an average, normal, ignorant, normie, person living in these times of a pandemic and I’m unvaccinated.

What happens to me if I decide to get the vaccine?

[Leo Gura]

Stop arguing.

[BadHippie]

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Stop arguing.

Stop trying to defect to authority and start contemplating. Did you even check how "new variants" are found? Pretty interesting process, you can basically find a new variant whenever you want lmao...
 

[Hardkill]

8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Stop arguing.

Blackphil really isn’t getting it. It’s hopeless.

[Arcangelo]

@BlackPhil Welcome

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forum.

[Arcangelo]

5 hours ago, BlackMaze said:

I love actualized. It changed my life. Still i can't ignore this. People are blindly following Leo and that's the truth. I'm strongly against the mandatory or semi mandatory vaccinations and all the stupid rules and laws against people that don't want such a subscription to big pharma. I'm not killing your grandma. You are killing everyone's freedom by accepting everything. What is happening in the world is pure madness. At this point its clear that it doesn't only have to do with corona and that there is a plan. If you can't agree with this you are brainwashed. You will just accept to take a vaccine every month and say yes to whatever they decide for you and what your freedoms are, like the sheep you are. 

I

agree.

[Zedman]

@BlackMaze @BlackPhil

Pathetic level of reasoning and emotional mastery. Namecalling, open ended arguments, dismissiveness and ridicule. Are you trying to figure things out or shut down the discussion?

Although people on the other side are no better. Fully consumed by their position (as in the video). Is there no compromise? Is there no interest in coming together and addressing each others concerns?

 

[mememe]

its actually funny how anti vaxxers basically support pharma because of anti social and medically badly researched and false statements, while the real problems of the medical system are really not vaccinations in general. not all pharmaceutical medicine is „bad“ - in some area there would definitely be room for improvement. rather than on vaccines alone there should be more focus on infrastructure of medicine, a focus on medical personnel, a pandemic plan which includes mrgn bacteria as potential future threat, a focus on natural medicine as replacement where it‘s possible and as support for severe illnesses, better food in hospitals (its not healthy at all), and still better research in gender/ethno/age medicine for sideffect reasons.

why is most energy used up in the denial of vaccination instead of asking for the development of better vaccines? or a better information for example about the risks of live vaccines?

i really wonder how this might play out if some day we have to take the meat off the table because of this general ignorance.

Edited December 16, 2021 by mememe

[BlackMaze]

2 hours ago, Zedman said:

@BlackMaze @BlackPhil

Pathetic level of reasoning and emotional mastery. Namecalling, open ended arguments, dismissiveness and ridicule. Are you trying to figure things out or shut down the discussion?

I just say things as i see them. You just did the same btw. You are putting oil in the fire. I don't want to shut down the discussion but at the same time there is no discussion only people that refuse to consider the possibility that they are wrong. 

Although people on the other side are no better. Fully consumed by their position (as in the video). Is there no compromise? Is there no interest in coming together and addressing each others concerns?

The only thing you offered is criticism. Anyone can criticize. Not anyone can risk being criticized or worse to balance the discussion to not become an echo chamber. Is there no interest in coming together and addressing concerns? Why don't you do that? Don't expect someone else to do it for you, be an example.