Non Existence

[Mason Riggle]

5 hours ago, WokeBloke said:

Don't you see, process, and comprehend my comment and then generate an appropriate response by yourself?

Don't you see that this process is happening all by itself without anyone doing it? 

What is causing the trees?

[WokeBloke]

26 minutes ago, Mason Riggle said:

Don't you see that this process is happening all by itself without anyone doing it? 

What is causing the trees?

no I don't see that! I see all this stuff on this planet being created by humans. 

[Mason Riggle]

8 hours ago, WokeBloke said:

no I don't see that! I see all this stuff on this planet being created by humans. 

That's just an arbitrary distinction you are making about 'who' or 'what' is responsible for 'what is happening'.
For example, if I train a dog to bite, and it does, what caused the bite.. me or the dog?  Both? What if I was taught to train dogs to bite by my parents. Did my parents cause the bite?  What if I teach my child to write code, and I tell him to write a program that outputs 'hello world!'..  what wrote 'hello world!'.. did the computer do that? Is the computer responsible for writing 'hello world!'?  I can watch the computer spit out page after page from the printer.. maybe the printer is doing that.  Is the printer writing 'hello world!'?  I see it doing that.  I see all these pages of words created by printers. 

@WokeBloke You didn't answer me.. 

What is causing trees?  

Edited December 14, 2021 by Mason Riggle

[WokeBloke]

4 hours ago, Mason Riggle said:

That's just an arbitrary distinction you are making about 'who' or 'what' is responsible for 'what is happening'.
For example, if I train a dog to bite, and it does, what caused the bite.. me or the dog?  Both? What if I was taught to train dogs to bite by my parents. Did my parents cause the bite?  What if I teach my child to write code, and I tell him to write a program that outputs 'hello world!'..  what wrote 'hello world!'.. did the computer do that? Is the computer responsible for writing 'hello world!'?  I can watch the computer spit out page after page from the printer.. maybe the printer is doing that.  Is the printer writing 'hello world!'?  I see it doing that.  I see all these pages of words created by printers. 

@WokeBloke You didn't answer me.. 

What is causing trees?  

 

the tree is an organism that takes in nutrients and grows by itself. Technically the tree is growing the tree with the help of the environment. 

Just like all humans make all humans by eating and reproducing.

 

[Mason Riggle]

@WokeBloke you said it, the tree is growing 'all by itself'.. There is no separate tree 'growing the tree'.. The tree is just growing how it will.. 

There is no 'you' anywhere controlling your organism.. it's just behaving how it will. 

You really really want to find some locus of attention which 'does things', but there simply is not.. The sensation of perceiving thoughts and sights and sounds is just more stuff happening as it will.

[WokeBloke]

2 hours ago, Mason Riggle said:

@WokeBloke you said it, the tree is growing 'all by itself'.. There is no separate tree 'growing the tree'.. The tree is just growing how it will.. 

There is no 'you' anywhere controlling your organism.. it's just behaving how it will. 

You really really want to find some locus of attention which 'does things', but there simply is not.. The sensation of perceiving thoughts and sights and sounds is just more stuff happening as it will.

I am the organism controlling the organism. Thus I am that which does things. 

You aren't separate from your body thus whatever your body does is what you do.

I don't see with your logic how you can say the human is not responsible if it is making its body and doing everything all by itself.

Edited December 14, 2021 by WokeBloke

[Breakingthewall]

22 hours ago, Shin said:

I start to understand why Leo advocates 5-meo through our asses.

??It was a not so bad reflection 

[Shin]

4 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

??It was a not so bad reflection 

 

Oh I'm sorry I didn't mean to criticize the post, I just didn't thought it was that hard to understand conceptually.

I was dead wrong lmao  

[Mason Riggle]

@WokeBloke so you're happy taking responsibility for the way your hair grows, then? You can change how that happens, or stop doing that, since you are doing it? 

[WokeBloke]

10 minutes ago, Mason Riggle said:

@WokeBloke so you're happy taking responsibility for the way your hair grows, then? You can change how that happens, or stop doing that, since you are doing it? 

Do you think you are forced to type your response to this?

Edited December 14, 2021 by WokeBloke

[Mason Riggle]

I am compelled by my highest desire, if that's what you mean. 

 

[WokeBloke]

6 minutes ago, Mason Riggle said:

I am compelled by my highest desire, if that's what you mean. 

 

Do you not regard your desires to be your responsibility?

[Mason Riggle]

@WokeBloke I do not. I don't choose my desires. Do you?

[WokeBloke]

1 hour ago, Mason Riggle said:

@WokeBloke I do not. I don't choose my desires. Do you?

Are you the cause of your desires?

[Shin]

That's a lot of mental masturbation

[Mason Riggle]

1 hour ago, WokeBloke said:

Are you the cause of your desires?

No. I like what I like. I desire what I desire. I can't choose to enjoy flavors I don't enjoy. I can't want what I don't want. I can't desire what I do not desire. 

My desires were formed over time, by my genetic makeup, which I did not choose, my environment, my experiences, etc.. 

Even if I could cause myself to desire that which I currently don't, I'd first have to have the desire to do that.. where did that desire come from? 

Edited December 15, 2021 by Mason Riggle