Non Existence

[Mason Riggle]

5 minutes ago, Raptorsin7 said:

What is reading this right now? What's there perceiving existence? 

There is a natural intelligence and order to life that can be tuned into. Unless you are at peace and believe you are done on the path, i don't see how that perspective is useful or beneficial 

'reading this right now' is occurring, along with everything else.  

This kind of understanding will lead you to the realization that there is only 1 path, and you're always on it.  

It is very peaceful to know that there's nothing for me to do which I'm not already automatically doing.  I am always 'being myself', and I never, ever, have to try to do that.. It's Absolutely Effortless. 

Edited December 13, 2021 by Mason Riggle
too many alreadys already.

[Raptorsin7]

Just now, Mason Riggle said:

'reading this right now' is occurring, along with everything else.  

This kind of understanding will lead you to the realization that there is only 1 path, and you're always on it.  

It is very peaceful to know that there's nothing for me to do which I'm not already automatically already doing.  I am always 'being myself', and I never, ever, have to try to do that.. It's Absolutely Effortless. 

Okay yeah I don't disagree with this. If your understanding ultimately points you back to living in harmony then it's true.

So you are done on the path?

[WokeBloke]

4 minutes ago, Mason Riggle said:

When the organism Mason Riggle takes a math test, Mason Riggle solving problems is occurring.  

I dare you, right now, to do something other than what you are about to do.  Think of a thought that's not about to occur to you. 

The question is simply whether you are responsible for what's happening. When you respond to my post are you denying that you wrote your post?

[At awe]

@Mason Riggle Beautiful.

[Mason Riggle]

1 minute ago, Raptorsin7 said:

So you are done on the path?

I don't appear to be. Does the path end?

"Everything will be okay in the end, so if everything is not okay, then don't worry, that means it's not the end."

[Raptorsin7]

Just now, Mason Riggle said:

I don't appear to be. Does the path end?

Suffering can end. If there is still a sense of energetic suffering then I would say you are not done. You can collapse the suffering and the sufferer. 

 

[WokeBloke]

There may only be one path but you are responsible for that path.

[Mason Riggle]

6 minutes ago, WokeBloke said:

The question is simply whether you are responsible for what's happening. When you respond to my post are you denying that you wrote your post?

I'm challenging the notion of 'self', of 'doership'.. 

Are you telling me you are growing your hair? You're doing that? If you are, then stop. Can you? 

Edited December 13, 2021 by Mason Riggle

[Mason Riggle]

3 minutes ago, WokeBloke said:

There may only be one path but you are responsible for that path.

Am I? I didn't choose my parents.. my time or place of birth.. any of my influences and experiences growing up.. I think in a language that was given to me.  I don't choose what I will think next. I don't choose my desires. Again, "I" (define "I" however you like.. a thought, an organism, the whole shebang, God, doesn't matter) am something which is occurring, not something that 'does things'. 

[Mason Riggle]

@At awe ?

[WokeBloke]

11 minutes ago, Mason Riggle said:

I'm challenging the notion of 'self', of 'doership'.. 

Are you telling me you are growing your hair? You're doing that? If you are, then stop. Can you? 

I agree most stuff is handled automatically without conscious intent. Not everything though. Your life is more than just growing hair. 

And if I look at my body as my creation then in a way I am growing my hair. 

Edited December 13, 2021 by WokeBloke

[WokeBloke]

5 minutes ago, Mason Riggle said:

Am I? I didn't choose my parents.. my time or place of birth.. any of my influences and experiences growing up.. I think in a language that was given to me.  I don't choose what I will think next. I don't choose my desires. Again, "I" (define "I" however you like.. a thought, an organism, the whole shebang, God, doesn't matter) am something which is occurring, not something that 'does things'. 

If you are everybody then you actually did choose and make your parents. You choose to give birth to yourself according to your desires.

 

[Mason Riggle]

1 minute ago, WokeBloke said:

I agree most stuff is handled automatically without conscious intent. Not everything though. Your life is more than just growing hair. 

And if I look at my body as my creation then in a way I am growing my hair. 

Do you have any control over the thoughts your brain produces? How? By thinking about it? Please explain how 'you' control what thoughts your brain produces, that isn't some thought process happening automatically in your brain.

[Raptorsin7]

10 minutes ago, WokeBloke said:

If you are everybody then you actually did choose and make your parents. You choose to give birth to yourself according to your desires.

 

Yeah I think if we're saying you as consciousness or love then it's TRUE. Consciousness is intelligent 

[Mason Riggle]

4 minutes ago, WokeBloke said:

If you are everybody then you actually did choose and make your parents. You choose to give birth to yourself according to your desires.

 

This is the illusive nature of 'self'.  Who am "I"?  Am I 'my thoughts?' Am I 'the thinker of thoughts'? Am I 'my body'? All of it? Am I 'my hand'? Am I 'my experiences'?   

What can be found, is that however I define "myself", "myself" is just occurring.. myself is never 'causing myself'.  Myself just always IS myself. 

Edited December 13, 2021 by Mason Riggle

[WokeBloke]

5 minutes ago, Mason Riggle said:

This is the illusive nature of 'self'.  Who am "I"?  Am I 'my thoughts?' Am I 'the thinker of thoughts'? Am I 'my body'? All of it? Am I 'my hand'? Am I 'my experiences'?   

What can be found, is that however I define "myself", "myself" is just occurring.. myself is never 'causing myself'.  Myself just always IS myself. 

You are what you have become.

Edited December 13, 2021 by WokeBloke

[Mason Riggle]

@WokeBloke Consider.. is the tree growing it's leaves?  Well, aren't the leaves part of the tree? The leaves aren't growing the leaves.  Maybe it's the branches that are growing the leaves.  The same way it can't really be said 'what is growing the leaves', it can't really be said 'who is thinking thoughts'.. 

Leaves are growing. Thoughts are thinking. It's all going along, going along, and there isn't anybody doing that.  

Is a volcano 'responsible' for spewing lava on the neighboring village? It was the volcano that did that right? 

Are you responsible for the thoughts you think? You thought those thoughts, right? 

Edited December 13, 2021 by Mason Riggle

[WokeBloke]

Just now, Mason Riggle said:

@WokeBloke Consider.. is the tree growing it's leaves?  Well, aren't the leaves part of the tree? The leaves aren't growing the leaves.  Maybe it's the branches that are growing the leaves.  The same way it can't really be said 'what is growing the leaves', it can't really be said 'who is thinking thoughts'.. 

Leaves are growing. Thoughts are thinking. It's all going along, going along, and there isn't anybody doing that.  

Is a volcano 'responsible' for spewing lava on the neighboring village? It was the volcano that did that right? 

You're comparing unaware things to aware human beings.

Thoughts do not think. They don't have brains.

[Mason Riggle]

Are you aware of how your brain produces thoughts? I am comparing 1 unconscious process with another.  

Everything is occurring within awareness, and awareness isn't 'doing' any of it. 

Edited December 13, 2021 by Mason Riggle

[WokeBloke]

1 minute ago, Mason Riggle said:

Are you aware of how your brain produces thoughts?

No. But my brain is my brain. So if it's making thoughts then I'm making thoughts.