Day gamers being arrested and slandered online for being themselves

[Emotionalmosquito]

I don’t think much needs to be said as to why this is so sickeningly cruel. The guy in the second video had a channel where he went cycling around his town filming his sets so he could watch them later and get feedback. He ended up getting arrested and jailed literally for no other reason than being awkward with women.  His game wasn’t even terribly bad. He was very direct and clear with his intent, he committed to each approach and was good at making observations. There are several other videos of him you can watch running his game on that channel.

The guy in the first video was very polite and left her alone as soon as he got the message. Yet he has been full blown demonized online and even on national tv.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-50137960

[He called one of them "pretty", tried to get her phone number and made her feel "uncomfortable" but she walked away.]

Apparently calling women pretty and asking for their number is sexual harassment now.

If this is how the public is going to react to guys trying to improve themselves they shouldn’t be surprised when the percentage of incels jumps from 30 to 50 in ten years time. If things continue the way they are, the schism between the sexes will reach such a critical mass it may very well be beyond repair. Just look at Japan.

When did it become such a crime for men to follow their most natural instinct and what is to make of this train wreck? How are we supposed to feel safe in practicing game if all it takes is one wrong woman to make a fuss (then others will join in) resulting in a modern day tar and feathering?

 

 

[loub]

On 12/11/2021 at 5:56 AM, Emotionalmosquito said:

How are we supposed to feel safe in practicing game

lol'd at this one. your perception seems warped. be more concerned with how to make women feel safe and you won't have this problem.
highly biased post imo.

[Bando]

Notes about the first approach

He should've calibrated his approach to his surroundings and the chick he was talking to. In the video it looks like he was the only one in that area and so was the girl.

He shouldn't have went up to her and sat down immediately, he should have started of saying something like "Hey im (insert name) you look interesting, just wanted to come over an introduce myself" before he sat down. Pay attention to her body language if she doesn't seem receptive or anxious be courteous, give her a compliment and leave.

He should have been able to pick up on her uneasiness and bailed. Any chick you cold approach should have some level of curiosity or receptiveness there was none here. Even if he sat down and tried to build up that receptiveness and managed to get a number she would flake immediately. You must be able to identify under a minute whether a girl is receptive to you if not move on there's no point remaining in that set.

Also this girl is only 18, she seems very socially awkward and even mentioned this was her first time being approached, i believe her reaction was well justified she wasn't rude, she just didnt know how to process what's going on. 

The guy seems like a newbie, my recommendation to him is to pay attention to body language, its ok for a chick to be awkward but she must be receptive to you if not move on. He lacks experience and the rejection wasn't bad it just happened to be caught on camera can't do nothing about that

Notes on Second Approach

There isnt much to critique here. This dude is just creepy he's following people around on his bike recording them. He literally followed one chick for a full minute before he talked to her wtf. Don't follow people around if your going to open them thats a no no. This guy also doesn't have any vocal range he gives off Elliot Roger vibes.

Vocal tonality is very important when cold approaching. You must seem open and fun this guy is too serious and sounds like he's giving commands or something, really of putting. There's also a "fakeness" in his opener which the girls pick up on immediately.

This guy got jailed because he uploaded videos of women he was hitting on without any consent, he also seems really uncalibrated and cant sense when these chicks are uncomfortable, he tried to force one of the girls to kiss him for christ sake.

Key points

Kudo's to any guy who has the balls to cold approach it takes dozens or hundreds of approaches to develop the calibration needed to pull good results consistently. Being able to recognize receptiveness is the most important part of cold approach. Be open, easy going and relaxed, have a normal opener nothing cringy and pay attention to her body language. If she's not engaged leave its a numbers game for a reason. You should be able to know how a set is going to turn out 30 seconds in never spend more than 1 minute in a bad set. 

[Bando]

@Emotionalmosquito  Have a learners mentality, all women want a confident guy to approach them in a calibrated respectful way. 

Out of the hundreds of cold approaches i've done I can only count on 2 hands a time  where I got a really negative reaction, it was in the beginning stages of learning this stuff and half those times it was my fault. Stop complaining about stuff like this and make a genuine attempt to see what the guy did wrong

[Thought Art]

Stop feeding your head with fear and instead learn what works.

[something_else]

On 11/12/2021 at 4:56 AM, Emotionalmosquito said:

no other reason than being awkward with women

Apart from you know, filming them too. And uploading the footage without consent. And hunting them on his bike. And doing it badly. And being forceful. You add all that together and you can see why he got in trouble

If you go to a club and talk to women without being ridiculously over the top or creepy or forceful you are never going to have this problem

This is just fear porn, it makes you feel good to watch this because it allows you to point at society for having problems instead of accepting that you have any control over this matter

Edited December 12, 2021 by something_else

[CodyXarex]

@Bando Good shit, I'mma bookmark this

[Pavement]

On 11/12/2021 at 5:56 AM, Emotionalmosquito said:

Yet he has been full blown demonized online and even on national tv.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-50137960

[He called one of them "pretty", tried to get her phone number and made her feel "uncomfortable" but she walked away.]

Apparently calling women pretty and asking for their number is sexual harassment now.

did you even read the article?  he was filming and recording girls during sex without them knowing and uploading publicly.  The guy was following girls around on a bike with a camera. If you think thats admireable or acceptable behaviour then I don't know what to tell you..

[Thought Art]

I think, maybe you feel so much fear around this subject because you struggle to understand social norms? 

These interactions should be pleasant for everyone involved. 

The first video he even sounds intoxicated. 
 

it makes sense to want to be cautious. 

Edited December 13, 2021 by Thought Art

[Arcangelo]

LOL!

The guy was drunk or on drugs, or both.

[Emotionalmosquito]

6 hours ago, loub said:

be more concerned with how to make women feel safe and you won't have this problem.

Yes I should focus on making them feel safe, no doubt there. But I don’t see how  that will automatically solve the problem of my safety. There are so many real creeps, or at least that’s what they’ve been told, that their default reaction is to assume shady intent from the beginning. It’s very difficult to be given a fair chance from this position.

2 hours ago, Pavement said:

did you even read the article?  he was filming and recording girls during sex without them knowing and uploading publicly.

I did. Granted this case was by far the worst of the three. I included that article because in addition to the actual crimes he committed they sprinkled in stuff that shouldn’t be any big deal so as to paint as ugly of a picture as possible. Like “He called one of them "pretty", tried to get her phone number and made her feel "uncomfortable" but she walked away.” for example. He also grabbed her head and tried to kiss her. He wouldn’t have done that had he known how badly it would be received which would indicate it was more of an issue of poor calibration than malicious intent. 

4 hours ago, something_else said:

Apart from you know, filming them too. And uploading the footage without consent. And hunting them on his bike. And doing it badly. And being forceful. You add all that together and you can see why he got in trouble

 

2 hours ago, Pavement said:

The guy was following girls around on a bike with a camera. If you think thats admireable or acceptable behaviour then I don't know what to tell you..

PUA infields always record all their sets and the girls leave before they get a chance to jump in and tell them they were filmed and ask for permission to upload but that doesn’t get PUAs in trouble. I’m not sure what the big deal is with following girls around on your bike for a block before you open. It’s unlikely for a newb to have the courage to immediately approach when they spot the girl they like. If you need a moment to psych yourself up and don’t want to lose her what else can you do?

@something_else I didn’t notice him being forceful about anything. He always hung up the phone when he got the message and didn’t make anyone feel trapped. Worst the guy did was lie about recording them and act with sub-optimal social skills. Not illegal.

4 hours ago, something_else said:

it makes you feel good to watch this because it allows you to point at society for having problems instead of accepting that you have any control over this matter

Quite the accusation there, though it may be partially true. Yes I can improve instead of doomer posting but the source of the doom makes it all the more challenging to do so. We are clearly at a disadvantage here if people are eager to jump at our throats like this for simple rookie mistakes.

@Bando nice analysis though I don’t agree with all of it. You’ve got some good tips in here I’ll try to keep in mind.

2 hours ago, Thought Art said:

 

I think, maybe you feel so much fear around this subject because you struggle to understand social norms? 

More like because society tends to be extremely unforgiving to those of us who don’t already know them.

Edited December 13, 2021 by Emotionalmosquito
Spell correction

[Yarco]

Jesus, that first woman was practically autistic, zero social skills. At no point does she say no or ask him to leave, or indicate that she's uncomfortable (besides I guess inferring it from her awkward/aloof personality). Even when she said "I'm doing a live" she just inferred she wanted him to leave, never actually asked him to.
He specifically asks "may I?" and she's just like "uhh ... I... don't know" LOL. I guess women like this would later justify that they didn't want to rock the boat for fear of retribution, so they just went along with it? 

The bike guy I can understand why it'd seem inherently more threatening, he's got a bike so he has the speed advantage and you couldn't really get away if he decided to pursue you, similar to someone pulling up alongside you in a car. Especially if you approach at a crosswalk while the light is red (no escape, feels trapped.) The GoPro surely doesn't help, but I think he'd get a dramatically different reaction even if he was just approaching on foot. Especially passing women instead of consistently coming up behind them lol.

The reaction of the woman at 2:35 in the second video was that of a mentally healthy individual that hasn't been turned totally antisocial. He maybe could've made something of that approach but he let it fizzle out.

Edited December 13, 2021 by Yarco

[Javfly33]

@Emotionalmosquito

12 hours ago, Thought Art said:

Stop feeding your head with fear and instead learn what works.

Topic closed ?

[something_else]

10 hours ago, Emotionalmosquito said:

We are clearly at a disadvantage here if people are eager to jump at our throats like this for simple rookie mistakes.

If you're scared just go out at night to different venues instead of approaching girls on the street, it's socially acceptable to talk to new people when they're out a night

Especially clubs where you have anonymity because you're in a crowd of hundreds of people who are all mixing together and talking to each other

I don't really like the idea of 'daygame' where you mass approach girls on the street either tbh. It just seems inherently predatory and creepy. And it is socially unacceptable unless you have reasonably good social skills. If you are gonna do it then start with just having small talk with girls during the day. Cashiers are a good starting point

7 hours ago, Yarco said:

Jesus, that first woman was practically autistic, zero social skills. At no point does she say no or ask him to leave, or indicate that she's uncomfortable (besides I guess inferring it from her awkward/aloof personality)

You can tell in the first 10 seconds she's extremely uncomfortable. She also indirectly tells him to fuck off twice "I didn't mean you could sit there" "Can I sit there? [5 second pause] Uhm.... I don't know". If you can't see that then hate to break it to you but you'e the one with zero social skills 

It isn't in girls best interest to directly tell creepy guys to fuck off because creepy guys will do unpredictable things if girls annoy them. Imagine being approached by a 6ft7 jacked dude who speaks slowly, says weird things to you, creepily smiles at you and gets uncomfortably close. I suspect you would not be so keen to directly tell him to fuck off or annoy him, especially if you were alone or in a quiet place. You would be more likely to politely hint that he leaves or find a way to exit the situation

Someone also said the girl is 18. It's hardly surprising that she's a bit awkward and unsure of how to process the situation. Giver her a break, come on.

Edited December 13, 2021 by something_else

[Nahm]

On 12/10/2021 at 11:56 PM, Emotionalmosquito said:

How are we supposed to feel safe in practicing game if all it takes is one wrong woman to make a fuss (then others will join in) resulting in a modern day tar and feathering?

You (not you per se, but one) might be experiencing what the article referred to as “entrenched”. 

More clarity might be arrived at via your own listing of synonyms (and antonyms) with ‘game’, and inspecting your own concept of ‘wrong’, in accordance with your own so to speak, conscience. 

“If this is how the public is going to react to guys trying to improve themselves they shouldn’t“

All projected ‘shoulds’ bear justification, and stand to reveal (and thus dispel ?)  the more subtle underlying discord. 

[Leo Gura]

Stop feeding victim mentality and fear about flirting and dating.