I Have Had Enough Of This

[RMQualtrough]

1 minute ago, PurpleTree said:

how do you know that?

It's completely impossible, you are trying to escape the appearance of any finitude. The person you are is finite. To fully become the infinity as a WHOLE you're talking about obliterating the finite... And furthermore there's no person anyway, a person is not a real thing so no person can become infinite, I can see it's like really off semantics to even be saying person.

Imagine a leaf trying to actually, as a leaf, become the entire tree...

[PurpleTree]

6 minutes ago, RMQualtrough said:

It's completely impossible, you are trying to escape the appearance of any finitude. The person you are is finite. To fully become the infinity as a WHOLE you're talking about obliterating the finite... And furthermore there's no person anyway, a person is not a real thing so no person can become infinite, I can see it's like really off semantics to even be saying person.

Imagine a leaf trying to actually, as a leaf, become the entire tree...

not sure if this leaf/tree analogy works here

 

what if we're a seed and not a leaf?

[Mason Riggle]

4 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

 

what if we're a seed and not a leaf?

When the seed fully becomes the tree, where is the seed? 

When you fully awaken, where are you?

[PurpleTree]

56 minutes ago, Mason Riggle said:

When the seed fully becomes the tree, where is the seed? 

When you fully awaken, where are you?

something to think about

 

 

i once had a beautiful vision of what seeds are

they are pure potential and amazing

 

[How to be wise]

@Rilles If you have a problem with Leo’s personality, then find another teacher. 

[RMQualtrough]

5 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

not sure if this leaf/tree analogy works here

 

what if we're a seed and not a leaf?

A seed could never become the very tree it came from. Any finite thing is an expression of the infinite, it would not work for the finite thing to try to make ITSELF the infinite, it would have to lose its finity. Which means it stops existing...

But if it stops existing, nothing has actually changed. The finite thing didn't become infinite. Infinity always was. So it doesn't even work.

You can't take a person which is something finite, and transform them the person into the infinite.

[tsuki]

@Rilles I agree with your observations. Leo has a lot of work to do in the relative domain.

Just hearing this statement from him, in a humble way, without making this observation into a virtue of self-observation, would do wonders to this place. Despite his non-dual insights, Leo is a very fallible human being, with quirks of personality that are purely circumstantial. He oftentimes gives advice with no regard for the person on the receiving end, simply because he is preoccupied with his life. He is oftentimes reacting to his past, where I'm willing to bet that he was ridiculed for being different. This is why I think that he is ridiculing people he is teaching, because he is still afraid.

When said explicitly, there is nothing in these words apart from compassion, coming from a place of understanding. There is a very good reason why Leo is behaving this way. This is not an objective reason, but a purely subjective one, that is justified from the point of view of individual suffering. What is missing here is the recognition of the importance of relativity. It will be missing as long as Leo is not willing to step up his game.

Another important thing is that there is no way of "making a person open up", of forcing someone to be vulnerable. I think that threads like this serve only to express one's frustration and are not helpful in changing this place.

[PurpleTree]

7 hours ago, RMQualtrough said:

You can't take a person which is something finite

We don't even really know if we're finite or infinite

[tsuki]

34 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

We don't even really know if we're finite or infinite

Knowledge is finite and it is possible to know this.

[The Rainmaker]

There is definitely a huge amount of validity to the things people have been saying about never meeting your hero. The further you submerge into spirituality and awakening, the more you will outgrow your teachers and start to realize their own flaws. You will realize that everybody is human and that the ego never truly dissolves enough so to turn anyone into a complete and utter Buddha. However, a quote of Leo's from his conversation with Kurt from Theories of Everything comes to mind. "It's easy to love people when they're nice to you;" maybe I'm paraphrasing, I'm not going to go back and look for the quote. But you can't have a rainbow without the rain. It's a general rule in life that sometimes people have to be dicks in order to push others out of their comfort zone unfortunately. I grew up with a lot of special needs because I sustained brain damage as a kid and the more aware I become the more I realize that many doctors have actually been recommending the people around me to be crueler than they've actually been in order to supply me with agency. I don't know if I ever would have gotten to the point where the brain damage is mostly cured without being pushed. When somebody forces you to go a mile, sometimes you need to go two miles with them. 

[RMQualtrough]

15 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

We don't even really know if we're finite or infinite

All things are finite that's why they're perceptible. The infinite is what "I" is.

[Rilles]

I decided to stay in this forum... for a while... I still stand by everything I wrote and I am not taking it back. Thanks for all the replies, it is refreshing to see that not everyone here is a blind follower. 

[Tim R]

@Rilles ??

[Gregory1]

27 minutes ago, Rilles said:

I decided to stay in this forum... for a while... I still stand by everything I wrote and I am not taking it back. Thanks for all the replies, it is refreshing to see that not everyone here is a blind follower. 

On 10.12.2021 at 8:45 PM, Nos7algiK said:

 

On 10.12.2021 at 8:43 PM, Gregory1 said:

 

 

On 10.12.2021 at 8:42 PM, blankisomeone said:

 

@Rilles

Do one Month of 5-Meo and you'll know whats right^^

[Loba]

I had many Awakening experiences after leaving this place...

That seems to be a common theme when a group of people because having a large group of people saying the same thing seems to paradigm lock one another and new information doesn't enter the system.  I was really sick with fever dreams for like a year and a half, and I'm looking at salvia trip reports and they are all so similar to what I was experiencing that I feel like I have a comprehensive understanding of to some extent some sort of weird alternate dimension...

At least I don't feel alone knowing other people have had the same intuitions/initiation.

This place can be a strong paradigm lock if you are someone that is on some sort of alternate life path.  The shamanic initiation requires that there is no previous knowledge put into the system before it sees what it's real for itself.  Otherwise you override an archetype with your own archetype and it ends up not being pure. I don't know how to explain it but these spiritual circles I think can cause a lot of damage if you are an imaginative person.

I joined another forum and they say that they have faced similar problems with their members so I'm not sure quite what to do about the fact that people can't seem to be satisfied with wherever they're at.  Maybe there is no solution for that.  Maybe there are just s*** heads and narcissists everywhere and it's just kind of like you have to just recognize that they're there and deal with it.

[lmfao]

@Loba am I correct in thinking in the past you probably approached narcissists with the idea they weren't narcissists and were instead gaslighting? 

[Loba]

@lmfao I didn't approach, usually I'm approached, but I tend to react after an encounter.  If it ends up being kind of weird.  But I guess that's just common place for how people interact with one another and I didn't realize that because other people have experienced the same sort of behavior on other forums and we're telling me about that.

The way they all fizzle out tends to be the way human cultures and cities and countries and pretty much everything that we do seems to work there's a period of growth and then a very long die off.

Edited December 15, 2021 by Loba

[lmfao]

7 minutes ago, Loba said:

@lmfao I didn't approach, usually I'm approached, but I tend to react after an encounter.  If it ends up being kind of weird.  But I guess that's just common place for how people interact with one another and I didn't realize that because other people have experienced the same sort of behavior on other forums and we're telling me about that.

The way they all fizzle out tends to be the way human cultures and cities and countries and pretty much everything that we do seems to work there's a period of growth and then a very long die off.

Hmmm, yeah ? 

Online socialising also be like that yeah 

[Loba]

@lmfao Yessir.  But what's more important is that there's these... Places people get stuck in.  Like, mentally.  And I'm back in it, but aware this time from trip reports so I got this.  But it's everywhere, the reality or delusion idk which rn. 

[Mu_]

On 12/10/2021 at 7:18 PM, Consilience said:

Mu ?

what?