Russia is amassing troops near the Ukrainian border

[Raze]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-ukraine-news-what-you-need-to-know/

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-59582146

 

there is current suspicion Russia is planning on invading Ukraine, apparently afraid they would join NATO.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nylXOa-oy4A

[PurpleTree]

i mean it's a sticky situation

nobody wants to give up power

nobody are really the good guys in this imo

but the ukraine should decide for themselves what kind of future they want

[Fleetinglife]

Putin is an ethnonationalist autocrat who romanticizes the old days of what Lenin called ''Greater Russian chauvinism'' by denying Ukrainians the right to a free volitionally formed national identity and a separate national culture by promoting a conspiracy theorist perspective that it was formed in aid by Polish Catholic elites in Western Ukraine to divide ''the Great Rus'' people who, from his POV, essentially have the same culture and language and were artificially divided by foreign powers historically to weaken the influence of Russia and of Orthodox culture from Europe, and thus considers Ukraine to be a part of ''Malorossiya'' or ''Little Russia'' and Ukrainians to be historically in actuality ''Malorossiyans'', as it was historically called up until the 18th or 19th century, and therefore though part of the Russian influence zone, and Ukrainians attempt to form their own separate national identity in the age of nationalism in the 19th and 20th century to be null, artificial and void of their primordial ties with ethnic Russians and Russian culture.

He talks about this openly in his official article published as President of Russia on the Kremlin website:

https://www.osw.waw.pl/en/publikacje/analyses/2021-07-13/putins-article-historical-unity-russians-and-ukrainians

''dominated by the claim that Ukrainians are an ancient, inseparable part of the ‘triune Russian nation’. This community is based on a common history spanning one thousand years, the language, the ‘Russian’ ethnic identity, the shared cultural sphere, and the Orthodox religion. Their bond with the Russian state is special and organic; it guarantees Ukraine’s development, and any attempts to sever or weaken this bond (which could only be inspired by external actors) will inevitably result in the collapse of Ukrainian statehood.''

''Putin’s article reflects his attachment to Russia’s imperial history and its ‘history-making’ destiny to determine the fate of the Ukrainian and Belarusian peoples. He reiterates, in an oversimplified manner, the basic assumptions of 19th-century official historiography of the Russian Empire. He also refers to conspiracy theories formulated by Russian far-right groups, claiming that the Ukrainian nation was a Polish (and later an Austro-Hungarian) anti-Russian political project. In order to prove his main argument, Putin passes over events which are inconvenient for Russia and presents many others in a biased or blatantly distorted manner. This falsified ‘common history’ is intended to legitimate Russia’s influence on Ukrainian society, in order to correct the mistakes made by the ‘puppet’ government in Kyiv.''

Edited December 10, 2021 by Fleetinglife

[Epikur]

Putin will probably win here. The US do not care much actually. It is Russian area of influence like it was Cuba in the crisis for the US. The US might do stuff to not lose face but that is it.

[AdroseAkise]

If something serious happens, I'll make a breaking news thread.

[Fleetinglife]

3 hours ago, Knowledge Hoarder said:

I live in a country that is in relatively close proximity to Russia

May I ask which country is that my fellow actualizer, if it's not too of a personal privacy and anonymity infringing question for you on this forum?

I am personally from a very Russia-friendly and Russophilic country both politically and culturally among the general populace, which perceives Russians as ethnically, historically, and culturally similar and brotherly through shared sentiments and political alliances, and cultural goals throughout history.

A paradox, a political and religious power manufactured and pragmatically, historically and culturally nonsensical ideology and a limiting cultural paradigm if you will in opposition to the mass perception of much more ethnically and historically culturally similar other South Slavic peoples on the Balkans.

Edited December 10, 2021 by Fleetinglife

[AdroseAkise]

I guarantee you that this is nothing. Western media is infamous for demonizing Russia, as they get all their info from the CIA, CNN is practically a State Department mouthpiece. Western media is also infamous for over hyping situations and stories, especially ones that are about America’s geopolitical opponents. 

[PurpleTree]

2 hours ago, Something Funny said:

Ukrainian here. I might be wrong, but personally, I think that this is just a big dick-measuring contest between Russia and West. I very much doubt it that Russia will follow through and actually invade Ukraine. 

 

 They already took crimea

don't you think they also would really like to take the eastern part of Ukraine?

[Fleetinglife]

3 hours ago, Knowledge Hoarder said:

Slovakia? Western Slav gang?

Ah, so the pro-reason and pro-logic type of Slavs who know how to peacefully separate and part ways and not kill, ethnically cleanse, war crime and genocide each other and traumatize, demonize, and gravely distort each of the Slavic nations' relationship and perception to each other for life, a couple of decades and a few generations at best while at the same time posturing as a narcissistic victim, most moral and best nations of people in the region with the best history and coping by nationally identifying with great powers who don't give a rat's ass about them except as a good propaganda cover and as tools to achieve their own interests. I honestly envy you guys ?

 

[Fleetinglife]

31 minutes ago, Knowledge Hoarder said:

Yeah well, there was a lot more turmoil in Southern Slav regions when separating compared to Western ones, but it's understandable. You have to remember, there was a lot more shit going on in the Balkans, all kinds of invaders and ethnicities occupied the area.

That is of course understandable that it left a deep Red traumatic shadow in the people's collective psyche but still, I see it as an excuse to justify some low consciousness actions, selfishness, fear, and ignorance at the point when they had a decent stage Blue to upper federal republic to separate in such a violent way, regressing to the past.

Edited December 11, 2021 by Fleetinglife

[Porphyry Fedotov]

22 hours ago, Fleetinglife said:

Putin is an ethnonationalist autocrat who romanticizes the old days of what Lenin called ''Greater Russian chauvinism'' by denying Ukrainians the right to a free volitionally formed national identity and a separate national culture by promoting a conspiracy theorist perspective that it was formed in aid by Polish Catholic elites in Western Ukraine to divide ''the Great Rus'' people who, from his POV, essentially have the same culture and language and were artificially divided by foreign powers historically to weaken the influence of Russia and of Orthodox culture from Europe, and thus considers Ukraine to be a part of ''Malorossiya'' or ''Little Russia'' and Ukrainians to be historically in actuality ''Malorossiyans'', as it was historically called up until the 18th or 19th century, and therefore though part of the Russian influence zone, and Ukrainians attempt to form their own separate national identity in the age of nationalism in the 19th and 20th century to be null, artificial and void of their primordial ties with ethnic Russians and Russian culture.

He talks about this openly in his official article published as President of Russia on the Kremlin website:

https://www.osw.waw.pl/en/publikacje/analyses/2021-07-13/putins-article-historical-unity-russians-and-ukrainians

''dominated by the claim that Ukrainians are an ancient, inseparable part of the ‘triune Russian nation’. This community is based on a common history spanning one thousand years, the language, the ‘Russian’ ethnic identity, the shared cultural sphere, and the Orthodox religion. Their bond with the Russian state is special and organic; it guarantees Ukraine’s development, and any attempts to sever or weaken this bond (which could only be inspired by external actors) will inevitably result in the collapse of Ukrainian statehood.''

''Putin’s article reflects his attachment to Russia’s imperial history and its ‘history-making’ destiny to determine the fate of the Ukrainian and Belarusian peoples. He reiterates, in an oversimplified manner, the basic assumptions of 19th-century official historiography of the Russian Empire. He also refers to conspiracy theories formulated by Russian far-right groups, claiming that the Ukrainian nation was a Polish (and later an Austro-Hungarian) anti-Russian political project. In order to prove his main argument, Putin passes over events which are inconvenient for Russia and presents many others in a biased or blatantly distorted manner. This falsified ‘common history’ is intended to legitimate Russia’s influence on Ukrainian society, in order to correct the mistakes made by the ‘puppet’ government in Kyiv.''

Pretty accurate POV. It's tragic that Putin and his clique treat Ukraine as CCP treated Tibet in 40's. Putin is clearly overestimating the importance of Ukraine for Russia. I think Russia will be alright even if Ukraine become NATO member, a lot of Russians sick and tired of Russian unchecked aggression against our neighbors (Georgia, Ukraine etc). 

[AdroseAkise]

Oh sure, when the United States wants to destroy the Middle East and ruin Libya for generations to come, no one dares sanction America. But when Putin annexes crimea, sanctions. 

The only country on Earth that deserves sanctions for illegal invasions is the United States, and yet the world wags its' finger at Putin.

[hoodrow trillson]

2 hours ago, AdroseAkise said:

Oh sure, when the United States wants to destroy the Middle East and ruin Libya for generations to come, no one dares sanction America. But when Putin annexes crimea, sanctions. 

The only country on Earth that deserves sanctions for illegal invasions is the United States, and yet the world wags its' finger at Putin.

Man fuck Putin

[Fleetinglife]

11 hours ago, Knowledge Hoarder said:

 Invasions and warfare are unacceptable nowadays however, humans should know better than that.

Tell that to the Serbian nationalists here in power and their supporters who are planning to start a Third Balkan War with the Albanians over Kosovo in the near future. They have nothing better personally to achieve in their lives and their heads are filled with a false toxic collective life purpose based on myths from the 14th and 19th and 20th centuries.