Are bodies alive/concious/aware?

[WokeBloke]

My personal view is the body is aware and the source of experiencing. 

Thus I do not see consciousness as residing in or out of the body but that so-called consciousness literally is the body. 

In other words consciousness and the body are inseparable. One indistinguishable changing reality.

Wherever the body goes is where consciousness goes.

Whatever the body does is what consciousness does.

 

What do you think?

 

 

 

 

 

[Mosess]

The only thing that is aware is whatever is here, right now

[WokeBloke]

8 minutes ago, Mosess said:

The only thing that is aware is whatever is here, right now

Indeed but is that the body? If you say it's not the body then you deny that the other bodies are aware.

[Mosess]

the answer you seek is not here

It is not in words

it is in what words are made out of

Look inside of the one expressing in the form of words 

[WokeBloke]

16 minutes ago, Judy2 said:

@WokeBloke

On some level (inside the dream), the body is seen as a central modifier of awareness. Close your eyes, you are no longer aware of visual impressions (except some spots and colours and maybe hallucinations, but one could say that they, too, are somewhat modified or put into place by the brain). Plug your ears, and you no longer receive sounds (or at least considerably less).

On the level of awareness, there is only awareness. The body and the brain and sensory experience are structures brought into being by awareness or consciousness. It's like a trick being played on you. All your life, you thought you could see, but all you can do is be awareness, appearing as structural patterns of seeing and hearing... in other words, eye-opening correlates with visual impressions of your environment, as this is the way the dream was created to work. But your eyes never cause visuals...precisaly because there is nothing underneath that you could see.

I would say there is only awareness and its creation. You can't deny your creations. 

So, as so-called awareness you can do more than just "be awareness" because you can create whatever you want to.

[WokeBloke]

6 minutes ago, Judy2 said:

@WokeBloke the point is that whatever you create is and will always be awareness.

 

Creation is still Being

You're equating non-verbal creations (ex. a tree or computer (not the words but what they refer to)) into a word called awareness.

Edited December 8, 2021 by WokeBloke

[WokeBloke]

6 minutes ago, Judy2 said:

@WokeBloke is there a tree when there's no consciousness of a tree?

well I would say there's definitely no experience of a tree without the so-called consciousness.

[Mosess]

2 hours ago, WokeBloke said:

Indeed but is that the body? If you say it's not the body then you deny that the other bodies are aware.

again, there is only 1 body!!! 

it is now

"my body" and "his body", is purely an illusion

"my body" and "his body" are simultaneously appearing at the same exact time and space.

If you focus, you will see that there is no difference between "my body" and "his body", it is all 1 whole fucking thing! 

[Leo Gura]

The I is the only one who is conscious.

[Shin]

4 hours ago, WokeBloke said:

You're equating non-verbal creations (ex. a tree or computer (not the words but what they refer to)) into a word called awareness.

If you knew knew what you were talking about, you wouldn't be so picky on the terminology.

Stop feeding your spiritual ego and be more humble, it's gonna be WAY easier this way, in anything you do.

[Nahm]

@Judy2

Nice! 

[WokeBloke]

7 hours ago, Judy2 said:

@WokeBloke just like the word tree has a referent, the word awareness or consciousness also has a referent.

And that's the "thing" i mean.

But it doesn't seem awarneess can be created as you suggest ("everything I create is and will always be awareness"). I don't think a computer is awareness. it is a creation within awareness.

[halfknots]

What is the fate of consciousness when the body becomes worm food?

[WokeBloke]

42 minutes ago, halfknots said:

What is the fate of consciousness when the body becomes worm food?

it depends. if consciousness is eternal then it will probably do what it desires (become a new body) otherwise consciousness ends I guess lol

[WokeBloke]

3 minutes ago, Judy2 said:

@WokeBloke

The substance of a computer is awareness. Likewise, the substance of any other "creation" is awareness, because awareness is all there is.

Creation and Awareness are the same thing. Just like formlessness is the same as form..it's all One, there's nothing to dissect.

in order for a computer to be awareness it would have to be aware. But I don't think it's aware. It seems that within awarneess there can be unaware things.

[Shin]

9 minutes ago, WokeBloke said:

in order for a computer to be awareness it would have to be aware. But I don't think it's aware. It seems that within awarneess there can be unaware things.

No that's an assumption, stop assuming and admit you don't know !

[WokeBloke]

2 minutes ago, Shin said:

No that's an assumption, stop assuming and admit you don't know !

 I don't know for sure if the computer is experiencing but evidence suggests it's not considering it has no sensory organs! Why do you think the computer is experiencing?

[VeganAwake]

The body is just a body. The sense of self is what claims the body to be its self.... it's the identification as the body and the thinker of thoughts.

And the kicker is it's not real, it's an illusion of self.

The body actually has nothing inside of it.... it's empty of a real person.

❤ 

Edited December 9, 2021 by VeganAwake

[WokeBloke]

8 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

The body is just a body. The sense of self is what claims the body to be its self.... it's the identification as the body and the thinker of thoughts.

And the kicker is it's not real, it's an illusion of self.

The body actually has nothing inside of it.... it's empty of a real person.

❤ 

no one inside the person I agree. The person is the person. The person's presence suggests they aren't illusory.

Edited December 9, 2021 by WokeBloke

[VeganAwake]

15 minutes ago, WokeBloke said:

no one inside the person I agree. The person is the person. The person's presence suggests they aren't illusory.

The body isn't an illusion, the sense of self that would feel upset if someone called you an idiot is the illusion.