When Israel killed innocent Americans

[How to be wise]

Hard to believe this actually happened, and Israel completely got away with it.

 

[Preety_India]

America killed so many innocent people all over the world and got away with it. 

 

[PurpleTree]

21 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

America killed so many innocent people all over the world and got away with it. 

 

yea they started the vietnam war though because one of their ships got attacked (allegedly) 

here not much happened i think

but yea the us and israel are very/extremely close partners, so it's certainly a weird incident

Edited December 6, 2021 by PurpleTree

[Preety_India]

@PurpleTree did you forget Hiroshima? 

America is the first country in human history to use nuclear weapons. 

 

Edited December 6, 2021 by Preety_India

[AdroseAkise]

The American armed forces are essentially a terrorist organization, and so is the Israeli Defense Forces.

[silene]

Just to give a different angle on this as history is complex and nuanced. 

The US didn't start the Vietnam wars (plural) did they? I thought they started when the French imperialists lost their grip and the country got divided up between communist and anti-communist sectors. So unfortunately it went from being a French colony straight to a cold war pawn  and Russia & China are equally culpable for their parts in this proxy war. But that often gets omitted from the narrative. 

Yes the US was the first and so far only country to detonate nuclear bombs in war. Their justification was, to consider the alternative choices in the circumstances. The Japanese had a high resistance to surrender, so what if continued conventional warfare would have killed more people than nuclear weapons? It's a dreadful decision to have to make, and perhaps the President made a bad call, but I don't believe the intentions behind it were evil. 

But yeah, the Liberty spyship incident was a terrible example of "friendly fire", in which the US military comes out rather better the politics. 

Edited December 12, 2021 by silene

[PurpleTree]

2 hours ago, silene said:

Just to give a different angle on this as history is complex and nuanced. 

The US didn't start the Vietnam wars (plural) did they? I thought they started when the French imperialists lost their grip and the country got divided up between communist and anti-communist sectors. So unfortunately it went from being a French colony straight to a cold war pawn  and Russia & China are equally culpable for their parts in this proxy war. But that often gets omitted from the narrative. 

Yea i meant the Gulf of Tonkin incident, where they mostly started "their" vietnam war/adventure.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident

[silene]

@PurpleTree yes fair enough. Given the US was committed to try stopping communism spreading, the hawks jumped on the incident to ramp up their involvement. Which causes a reaction from the other side. Is how events snowball into wars. 

[AdroseAkise]

Mohammed El-Kurd recently gave a really good speech very recently to the U.N. . 

I dare anyone pro-Israel to make a response to this speech.

[PurpleTree]

1 minute ago, AdroseAkise said:

Mohammed El-Kurd recently gave a really good speech very recently to the U.N. . 

I dare anyone pro-Israel to make a response to this speech.

^^It's sad and must be horrible but I would still probably choose to live in Israel over most or all Muslim countries because of freedoms, womens rights, lifestyle, lgbt rights etc.

 

 

[AdroseAkise]

15 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

^^It's sad and must be horrible but I would still probably choose to live in Israel over most or all Muslim countries because of freedoms, womens rights, lifestyle, lgbt rights etc.

The response to homophobia is not to throw people out of their homes, choosing to live in Israel is choosing to pay taxes to this regime.